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Old July 12th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #1801
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I think you also need to stop on many places to break the trip because, AFAIK, those trains don't have showers and thus a person travelling all the way would arrive smelling like a street beggar or so.
Well, some have, some not. AFAIK most 1st and 2nd class carriages of "firmeniy" (=premium) class trains have 1 or 2 showers per carriage.
Also, if one have some brain to apply to surrounding reality, you can maintain hygiene without shower. It's just a bit more time consuming than a regular quick shower, but you are on a trip anyway.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #1802
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I think you also need to stop on many places to break the trip because, AFAIK, those trains don't have showers and thus a person travelling all the way would arrive smelling like a street beggar or so.
The toilet cubicles are quite large, you just need a flask of hot water from the samovar and a cup to mix it with the cold from the tap. That and a flannel with some soap would do fine, it is not like you end up smelling that bad anyway if you are not doing anything.

The longest I did was 30 hours so I just had a shower when leaving the hostel or couchsurfing host at one end, then another on arrival at the next place. I cannot think of a better way of travelling.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #1803
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I remember a Belgian couple I met last year on the Belorussian railway station.
They were so naive to travel from Beijing to Moscow only speaking french and english.

For all trans-sibirian fans : Don't miss the Baikal lake or better "sea".
You will never see such a impressing thing ever again.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #1804
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I remember a Belgian couple I met last year on the Belorussian railway station.
They were so naive to travel from Beijing to Moscow only speaking french and english.

For all trans-sibirian fans : Don't miss the Baikal lake or better "sea".
You will never see such a impressing thing ever again.
I have travelled the world with only English and pointing I saw the Lake last year around May, so it was still icy, then a snowstorm blew the ice away from the shore. I would love to go back in winter and go out on the ice.

I wish I was good at languages, and do try to learn a bit as I go along, before anyone accuses me of being an arrogant Englishman.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 12:18 AM   #1805
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I remember a Belgian couple I met last year on the Belorussian railway station.
They were so naive to travel from Beijing to Moscow only speaking french and english.
When we decided to embark on this trip, we all took a year of Russian language
evening course. But Russian is so complex that after one year, we were not
fluent at all yet. Still, being able to read signs in cyrillic, count, and pronounce a
few words, has been a real plus. We tend to believe in western Europe that
english can bring you anywhere you want, but there are parts of the world
where it is not true at all. Russia is one of those places. Fluency in English
wasn't worth a penny over there...
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Old July 15th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #1806
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I think you also need to stop on many places to break the trip because, AFAIK, those trains don't have showers and thus a person travelling all the way would arrive smelling like a street beggar or so.
Experienced travellers know how to keep clean while travelling with minimal
amenities, and pack the required gear in their luggage... I did not take any
shower while on board the train, but still felt very fresh after the 60 hours
ride between Ekaterinebourg and Irkoutsk on train n°16 "Baikal"... Not being
able to live without a shower or a power outlet for two or three days is yet
another disease brought to us by modern "civilisation".
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Old July 15th, 2012, 01:04 AM   #1807
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Experienced travellers know how to keep clean while travelling with minimal
amenities, and pack the required gear in their luggage... I did not take any
shower while on board the train, but still felt very fresh after the 60 hours
ride between Ekaterinebourg and Irkoutsk on train n°16 "Baikal"... Not being
able to live without a shower or a power outlet for two or three days is yet
another disease brought to us by modern "civilisation".
One of the simplest solutions is a wet towel and another towel or wipe soaked in alcohol or alcohol-based solution (e.g. one of those facial spot treatment lotions). Works just fine (tried it) and should work fine for a 6 day train ride.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 05:56 AM   #1808
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Does anyone have a picture or video of a Russian Railway crossing? I heard the road moves up?
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Old July 15th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #1809
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able to live without a shower or a power outlet for two or three days is yet
another disease brought to us by modern "civilisation".
Sorry for not subscribing to the caveman club.

Night trains on multiple-night routes should have sleepers with showers, simple as that.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #1810
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Sleepers with showers require more maintenance and cleaning (increased labor costs), in addition to requirement of increased water supplies and heating of said water. It also takes away revenue space (i.e. berth space). But no reason to not have such facilities- just charge more to cover those costs. Those that want to travel "caveman style" can buy the cheaper non-shower berths or couchettes, or use a car with a coin-operated shower (sorry, you may get cooties from previous users)
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Old July 15th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #1811
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You can take a shower in lux cabins, e.g.


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And what about air conditioning? Do ordinary sleepers have ACs in the Trans-Siberian trains?
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And what about air conditioning? Do ordinary sleepers have ACs in the Trans-Siberian trains?
001\002 are fully AC, AFAIK.
Not sure about 239\240...

And for sure all cars have centralized heating.
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And what about air conditioning? Do ordinary sleepers have ACs in the Trans-Siberian trains?
You can expect air conditioning on all trains qualified as "firmenny".
Others most often not. Trains 3/4 Moscow-UB-Beijing are equipped
with chinese cars that have no airco. But look at the bright side
of things : at least, on cars with no airco, you can still open the
windows.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 04:47 PM   #1815
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But look at the bright side
of things : at least, on cars with no airco, you can still open the
windows.
Lame excuse...

Modern ventilation/air-conditioning systems clean the air of things like pollen and smells. Morevoer, modern rail cars without windows greatly reduces noise.

There is no upside, whatsoever, in opening windows.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #1816
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There is no upside, whatsoever, in opening windows.
What about wanting to take a picture as you roll across some of the most striking landscape in the world?? Glass definitely gets in the way of that...they should at least have a small special open-air observation car attached in the summer for the many tourists that use the Moscow-Beijing trains.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #1817
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Lame excuse...
There is no upside, whatsoever, in opening windows.
Go tell that to the passengers of e.g. one of the "classy" Italian trains' cars that, more and more often, are suddenly left without a/c for lack of maintenance and without any chance to open the windows for lack of personnel...
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Lame excuse...

Modern ventilation/air-conditioning systems clean the air of things like pollen and smells. Morevoer, modern rail cars without windows greatly reduces noise.

There is no upside, whatsoever, in opening windows.
You are so annoying, you know that?
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Old July 16th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #1819
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Go tell that to the passengers of e.g. one of the "classy" Italian trains' cars that, more and more often, are suddenly left without a/c for lack of maintenance and without any chance to open the windows for lack of personnel...
That is a problem of lack of maitenance.

High-speed trains can't have windows that open anyway, because of their speed.
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What about wanting to take a picture as you roll across some of the most striking landscape in the world?? Glass definitely gets in the way of that...they should at least have a small special open-air observation car attached in the summer for the many tourists that use the Moscow-Beijing trains.
They can have observation cars with all-glass windows that cover part of the roof till the bottom as well.

Taking pictures without glasses is far less important than having windows that open (and windows that open give excuses for people to smoke in disguise as well).
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