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Old July 19th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #1841
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The transib doesn't solely exist to transport people between Moscow and Vladivostok. It also provides access to communities in between. I doubt that a large fraction of the passengers on the Transib travel the whole length.

In North America long distance passenger trains ahve the problem of being squeezed from both ends. Revenue is reduced because of competition, and costs are increased because of brain dead labor and safety rules...
The former will probably also happen in Russia, but maybe the latter can be avoided.
I did not do it end to end last summer either. But as I said above, I did not
notice much passenger movement in the small stations. May be I was on trains
that were too expensive. Most people got on and off on important intermediate
stations where there is certainly an airport too, but not enough traffic to obtain
cheap flights. If that ever happens, the passenger traffic on russian railways will
severely suffer.

On the other hand, without going to the extremes that are imposed by US
legislation, I can garantee you that russian rail workers would certainly enjoy
very much some enhancements in their working conditions and safety. There are
things I saw there that were quite difficult to believe...
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Old July 19th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #1842
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Old July 19th, 2012, 11:36 PM   #1843
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Old July 20th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #1844
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things I saw there that were quite difficult to believe...
Perhaps an example?
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Old July 20th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #1845
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Old July 21st, 2012, 12:06 AM   #1846
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Perhaps an example?
For example, I saw a guy in Sloudianka cutting the 25 kV power
on a section of catenary. It was not motor-operated, just a switch
on the top of a catenary pole with an iron bar to move it from the
foot of the pole. No special precaution taken, no earthing, nothing.
Lots of arcing during the whole operation. A simple insulator failure
could have killed the guy...

I also saw lots of track crossing, people going below train cars without
knowing for sure that the train would not move, and other things like
that.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #1847
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When I did it last summer, I saw very few strangers. Essentially russian people.
Some were indeed what we would call tourists, almost none travelling for
business (those ones are already on planes), many visiting family or friends.
There was not that much movement at small intermediate stations, people
got on and off at large stations mostly. I suspect that you can get cheap prices
for flying out of Moscow because there is a lot of competition there, but it is
probably not the case from smaller cities like Ekaterinebourg, Novossibirsk,
Krasnoďarsk, or Irkoutsk. Where there is no competition, prices skyrocket. Look
at how much you have to pay to fly from or to Ulan-Bator !

If you have not been there already, I can tell you only one thing : go ! It's one
of the most wonderful journeys I have ever done.
My flight from Irkutsk to Moscow was slightly (almost insignificantly) cheaper than the train ticket. This was last month.

@Suburbanist, despite not showering for 3 days I did not arrive smelly at all!
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Old August 19th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #1848
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I just read something very interresting which I would like to share. It is a transcript of a russian government meeting (with Dmitry Medvedev) which makes a full general description of the state of Russian railways today:

http://government.ru/eng/docs/19966/#sel=

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On a separate topic, I am planning a trip from Poland to Zurich and it was sad for me that Russian Railways charges ridiculously high amount for their european night trains. Poznan->Basel costs 770zl, while Berlin->Zurich costs 80 euros (320zl) in DBahn as the trip is more then 1 month from now.

I wonder why they make it so expensive. If they charged half so much, at a rate similar to DBahn, I would buy it. But since it is too expensive I can't afford it and I doubt that they will run with a full wagon, it my potential bed will probably be transported empty across Poland, Germany and Switzerland... so I think they are not very clever when it comes to maximizing profits in these european night trains. Not to mention that it is so hard to buy them ... you can't find fares in the internet, I had to go to the rail station.
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Old August 19th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #1849
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RZD is still a monster with slow react on customer needs
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Old August 20th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #1850
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did they actually reacted yet just once? considering how bad situation with commuter rails...
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Old August 21st, 2012, 12:44 PM   #1851
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On a separate topic, I am planning a trip from Poland to Zurich and it was sad for me that Russian Railways charges ridiculously high amount for their european night trains. Poznan->Basel costs 770zl, while Berlin->Zurich costs 80 euros (320zl) in DBahn as the trip is more then 1 month from now.
Although the Moscow - Basel sleeper is provided by RZD, the fare depends mostly from DB and PKP.
This is a classical international train operated in cooperation between DB, RZD, BC and PKP. The fare is calculated by adding the basic fare of each section plus the sleeper upgrade. From the basic fare income each railway gets the money of the concerned section, the income from the sleeper upgrade goes to the railway providing the sleeper car.
So if you buy a ticket Poznan - Basel and a sleeper upgrade, then the majority goes to DB for the section Frankfurt(Oder) Gr - Basel SBB (or is Basel Badischer Bahnhof the tariff-border? Then some money would also go to SBB). PKP IC will get some money for the section Poznan - FFO(Gr), and RZD only the amount of the sleeper upgrade (which is not that expensive).

So I assume that DB provides special discounted fares (maybe Europaspezial or some kind of Sparpreis) for a Berlin - Zurich trip, whereas no such special fares might be available for Poznan - Basel, and so the full fare is payable.
But thats not fault of RZD...


It's a different thing with trains, which RZD really runs themselve (meaning that they get all ticket incomes and pay all expenses). But that's the case only for 2 international train: Moskva - Paris and Moskva - Nice.
These trains are under full economic responsibility of RZD.


But classical international trains are still operated mostly in a way of cooperation, where each railway company is responsible for the section in it's country.
Another example is the ÖBB-railjet from Budapets to Muncih: Altough the trainset is provided by ÖBB, it is basically a MAV-train in Hungary and a DB-train in Germany.
Of course MAV and DB pay for the train usage to ÖBB (based on agreed EUR per trainkm-prices). All other operating costs in Germany or Hungary (train crew, infrastrcutur usage, etc) are directly covered by DB or MAV, and they also get the ticket income from their sections.



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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:06 PM   #1852
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It might be possible buying two europaspezials: One from Poznan to an intermediate stop in Germany and another one from that stop to Basel. And then you buy one sleeper upgrade for the whole trip.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 04:50 PM   #1853
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It's a different thing with trains, which RZD really runs themselve (meaning that they get all ticket incomes and pay all expenses). But that's the case only for 2 international train: Moskva - Paris and Moskva - Nice.
These trains are under full economic responsibility of RZD.
I have seen this Moscow-Paris train on the departure display in Cologne, but it's only one waggon from RZD in a longer international train, probably this waggon is a part of the Moscow-Berlin train and then attached to the Berlin-Paris train.



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Old August 24th, 2012, 02:16 AM   #1854
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On a separate topic, I am planning a trip from Poland to Zurich and it was sad for me that Russian Railways charges ridiculously high amount for their european night trains. Poznan->Basel costs 770zl, while Berlin->Zurich costs 80 euros (320zl) in DBahn as the trip is more then 1 month from now.
You might need to book your sleeper via a specialised Bahnagentur for RZD tickets in Berlin, as this deals with EU cabotage pricing. They will know the trick to obtain a RZD or BC sleeper. Google will do. Good luck!
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Old August 24th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #1855
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Will Russia expand HSR for the World Cup?

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/w...ave-been-axed-
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Old August 24th, 2012, 10:42 PM   #1856
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Will Russia expand HSR for the World Cup?

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/w...ave-been-axed-
There is a mistake in the article, R5.6 trillion is 141 billion euro, not million. This is defense budget for 2 years. A way too expensive
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Old August 24th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #1857
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There is a mistake in the article, R5.6 trillion is 141 billion euro, not million. This is defense budget for 2 years. A way too expensive
Nope, defense budget is just way too high.
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Nope, defense budget is just way too high.
What is your point? How much Russia should spend on military or should it at all?
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Old August 25th, 2012, 02:42 PM   #1859
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My point is spend less money on pointless shit like defense and rather fix your crippled infrastructure.
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Old August 25th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #1860
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Sort out the corruption and out of control oligarchs and this would be easily affordable.
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