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Old May 31st, 2007, 07:17 AM   #821
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$10M spent on Near-Eastside

Approximately $10 million in improvements in a Near Eastside neighborhood were announced today as part of the Great Indy Neighborhoods Initiative.


Approximately $5 million will be spent on new sidewalks, curbs and street resurfacing to be completed in three phases, beginning as soon as July.

The boundaries of the area are: north Massachusetts Avenue and 21st Street; south to the railroad tracks just of Washington Street, east to Emerson Avenue, and west to I-65.

As part of the neighborhood project, a redevelopment area and special financing district were created, allowed money from increased tax revenue being generated by redevelopment and improvements to be spent there.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 07:20 AM   #822
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Keep in mind that the proposed cost of the rail transit system here is vastly higher than the entire ten year Major Moves program for the region.
Arenn,

We need to be smart about the kind of Transit system that we choose. Instead of choosing a 50-60 million a mile AGT system, or on-street light rail system, we should consider a hybrid regional rail system. This system would utilize existing rail right-of-way, diesel multiple unit trains and Union Station as a hub. This system could be built for 15 to 30 million a mile. These trains are like large buses on rail.

Here is a link to the Oceanside Escondido Sprinter line which I have been following since my intership at the MPO. This is exactly what we should do execpt with a TOD component.

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http://www.gonctd.com/oerail/oerail.html

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http://www.gonctd.com/oerail/sprinte...tsheet_806.pdf
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Old May 31st, 2007, 07:32 AM   #823
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here is a video of the train going through testing before its opens to the public in December:

http://www.nctimes.com/movie/sprinter/viewerh.html
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Old May 31st, 2007, 05:38 PM   #824
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Approximately $10 million in improvements in a Near Eastside neighborhood were announced today as part of the Great Indy Neighborhoods Initiative.


Approximately $5 million will be spent on new sidewalks, curbs and street resurfacing to be completed in three phases, beginning as soon as July.

The boundaries of the area are: north Massachusetts Avenue and 21st Street; south to the railroad tracks just of Washington Street, east to Emerson Avenue, and west to I-65.

As part of the neighborhood project, a redevelopment area and special financing district were created, allowed money from increased tax revenue being generated by redevelopment and improvements to be spent there.

This is what I am talking about with regards to the City now focusing on its neighborhoods. Its amazing what new sidewalks, curbs, landscaping etc will do for an area. This should spur some new development and it really helps change a neighborhoods perception.

Since I work in community development/planning, I know what the City and its neighborhoods are doing and I believe that within 10 years, a real sense of place with regards to a number of the neighborhoods wihin the old city limits will be established/cultivated. We are only going to get better.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 06:07 PM   #825
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This is what I am talking about with regards to the City now focusing on its neighborhoods. Its amazing what new sidewalks, curbs, landscaping etc will do for an area. This should spur some new development and it really helps change a neighborhoods perception.

Since I work in community development/planning, I know what the City and its neighborhoods are doing and I believe that within 10 years, a real sense of place with regards to a number of the neighborhoods wihin the old city limits will be established/cultivated. We are only going to get better.
My cousin lives in the near eastside, in a beautfiul batch of victorian era homes.
All intact with interior woodwork, just need a little love. These areas would make great neighborhoods for the city, and I was reading in the star, that if a neighborhood looks as if no one cares, crime is more than triple likely to happen there, do to criminals feeling more at home. Its called the broken glass affect I belive. I havent seen any central neighborhoods die, they just get better, more houses and structures are being renovated, and infill is going on like crazy it seems.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 06:34 PM   #826
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Look familiar?



This is the new convention center hotel in San Antonio. Although not identical, looks very similar to our new convention center hotel.

It will be exciting to see this though:
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Old May 31st, 2007, 07:10 PM   #827
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hopefully the new marriott will atleast fill in the skyline, and spread downtown westward, like people claim it will, but its street level lacks highly. An outdoor cafe, and retail stores(along with some greenery) would really help, that part of downtown always feel very auto dependant, versus the walkable wholesale district.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 08:43 PM   #828
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also they need 2 get rid of that plant over by victory field
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:01 PM   #829
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Hey all, long time lurker that first found out about this forum over at the horrible IndyStar boards. I've been reading for some time and really enjoy all of the insigt that is provided over here. As someone who "works" all over downtown I like learning about everything that is taking place.

As far as the plant, isn't that the steam plant that heats most of downtown? Don't see it going anywhere any time soon.

Has anyone had a chance to get out to the zoo to see the new oceans exhibit first hand? I'll be going out tomorrow to check it out.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:15 PM   #830
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Not a chance of removing the IPALCO plant. Like someone mentioned earlier it heats and cools all of downtown. I think it actually looks kinda cool where it is, giving that part of town an "industrial" feel to it.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 10:17 PM   #831
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also they need 2 get rid of that plant over by victory field
I agree with Naptown Boy. That factory adds character to downtown, especially since so many original downtown buildings have been torn down. It's nice to have a downtown with a mix, rather than all glass and steel.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 10:19 PM   #832
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here is a video of the train going through testing before its opens to the public in December:

http://www.nctimes.com/movie/sprinter/viewerh.html
I really like the way that looks. Imagine seeing that going down keystone
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Old May 31st, 2007, 10:57 PM   #833
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I wish they would update the facade to make it at least look attractive, like power wash that mo-fo or something!!
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Old May 31st, 2007, 11:00 PM   #834
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Look familiar?



This is the new convention center hotel in San Antonio. Although not identical, looks very similar to our new convention center hotel.


The night rendering makes it look much better, don't you think? It's slightly better than our JW, but that doesn't take much.

San Antonio's Grand Hyatt is ugly, but slightly interesting. Our JW is ugly and boring.

The renderings above (especially the first 4 floors) have more in common architecturally with Kosene's MSA proposal.



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Old May 31st, 2007, 11:50 PM   #835
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I agree with Naptown Boy. That factory adds character to downtown, especially since so many original downtown buildings have been torn down. It's nice to have a downtown with a mix, rather than all glass and steel.
I like that factory, the stacks could be painted like peppermints or something, but on one section, the facade is stone and brick, and very neat looking!
I think they should do more to make it more attractive, but demolishing it would only cuase problems.
As for many original structures being down, I have to agree, I was biking through wholesale, sourounded by an intact urban area of historic buildings and then under the railroads, past the slippery noodle, and where more original structures should be, it was endless parking lots =/
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Old June 1st, 2007, 02:24 AM   #836
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Is anyone in the "know" about the political discussions relating to the MSA site redevelopment???

As we all know, the final selection will be determined more by politics, rather than the best development for the site.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 02:50 AM   #837
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I'm starting to have a change of heart about the Kosene proposal...it's looking better to me every day.

If those towers were 5-10 stories taller they would have a pretty big impact on our skyline.
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Downtown factory

That steam plant is not the sole producer of heat/steam generation for Indy's downtown. From Covanta Energy's website this is all about our waste to energy plant

"The Indianapolis Resource Recovery Facility began commercial operation in December 1988, serving the approximately 815,000 residents of the City of Indianapolis/Marion County. The facility can process 2,175 tons-per-day of solid waste that produce no less than 4,500 pounds of steam sold per ton. Citizens Gas purchases the steam to power the downtown heating loop. The loop includes nearly all downtown businesses, as well as Indiana University, Purdue University's Indianapolis campus, and Eli Lilly, the area's largest pharmaceutical manufacturer."

Honestly, the question of whether that plant downtown is necessary as a steam/heat manufacturer is quite debatable... but if it serves another purpose, that's great. In my opinion, I think the building should stay, no matter what. Old buildings like this one have enormous potential for redevelopment into residential units (and I don't just mean high-priced condos).

For more about our WTEP, check out their site: http://www.covantaenergy.com/facilit...dianapolis.asp
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Old June 1st, 2007, 03:06 AM   #839
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is target interested in both proposals or just the one i think if its just the one that might come down to that one winning
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Old June 1st, 2007, 05:07 AM   #840
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Mooch, is there any way you could provide a visual of the Banking arena center, cause I do not know what you are talking about, thanks.
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