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Old July 20th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #1821
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How is it a nightmare? Glendale was already completely surround by parking lots. I dont expect the entire building would take up all the pre-existing parking lots... The mall was on the verge of closing completely.
sprawl is an urban nightmare, land that will end up useless, is a nightmare.
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Just a little note: I had to call Sprint/Nextel info today and I gave them "Indianapolis" as the city and the lady came on and said, "Indianapolis, IL?" WTF??? Um yeah, and Chicgao, IN.

I know that Americans in general are geographically challenged, but "Indianapolis, IL?" The f*cking state is in the name..!!!!
OMG too funny. Sure she wasn't in Bangladesh? There is also an Indianapolis in Iowa and Oklahoma.
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Old July 21st, 2007, 03:10 AM   #1823
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Nope, you must be thinking of something else. Official plans for this have never been posted.
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Wasn't there a rendering for the site a while back (maybe six months or so)? It wasn't very impressive, I hope this plan is better than the previous one.
I think what you may be thinking of is the Oklahoma tower that was demolished, that Moochie made a comprison from a postcard. Forumers were wanting a clue, and he was nice enough to at least give a similar tower that once was.
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Plans unveiled for hotel near Conseco Fieldhouse

Southside residential developer J. Greg Allen is scheduled to outline plans today for a dual-hotel development near Conseco Fieldhouse. The project, which will use surface parking lots across Pennsylvania Street from the arena, also might include restaurants and condominiums. The project will be discussed at the Wholesale District Summit put on by Indianapolis Downtown Inc.


What the hell is this all about? Renderings have to be coming soo right? this was in the 7/18 Star...
Anything come out of this unveiling? I cannot think of another project that has been so secretive. Renderings kept behind closed doors?
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maybe the IBJ will have some tomorrow
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Do you think this means renderings will be available to the public on Aug. 1? I hope so. I can't wait to put a face to the Penn Centre name.
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well, atleast it has a green roof, and is high density. =/
But, the other one was much more attractive, ohwell, maybe newer renderings will make it look much more attractive.
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Too bad they had to destroy the original Glendale in order for it to become profitable again. There's a Target just three miles away at Nora Plaza. The irony is that it will revert back to its original status as an "open air mall".

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Old July 21st, 2007, 06:49 PM   #1829
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Too bad they had to destroy the original Glendale in order for it to become profitable again. There's a Target just three miles away at Nora Plaza. The irony is that it will revert back to its original status as an "open air mall".

Come on people, only 20 more posts until we reach 2,000. We can do it!
woah, I never noticed how far this thread has gone,
now its only 19
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Old July 21st, 2007, 07:24 PM   #1830
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A tiny blurb about Penn Centre is at the end of this article. The rest of it is about a project that is "hidiouse"!!! wtf is up with that parking garage?

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have so many highrises going up. Those who are building them must know something we don't...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...NESS/707210448

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More Downtown hotels in the works
As part of the boom, high-rise would be built near the new home of the Colts

A 24-story hotel and residential tower could soar just east of Lucas Oil Stadium.

The proposed project is the first high-rise planned down the street from the new home of the Indianapolis Colts, which is set to open in August 2008.

The newest hotel joins nine others Downtown that are under construction or in the approval stage. The projects have bubbled up largely as a response to plans to double the size of the Indiana Convention Center by 2010, vaulting Indianapolis' convention facility to the 16th largest in the nation.
The new tower's developer is a partnership that includes Stephen J. Alexander, president of the architectural firm Prince/Alexander Partners, which has its offices on the tower site at the southeast corner of West Merrill and South Illinois streets.

Called West Merrill Tower, the building would contain 200 hotel rooms, 48 condominiums or apartments, seven floors of parking, conference rooms and a restaurant.

"I think it's a very good location for a project like this," Alexander said.
He wouldn't reveal his partners or the operator of the planned four-star hotel.
Financing of the more than $40 million project is pending the results of a study by an Ohio consultant to gauge demand for more hotel units, condos and apartments Downtown, Alexander said.
He said the partnership hopes to start construction in the fall and open the tower 16 to 18 months later.

Four applications are pending before the city to gain needed zoning and other approvals, said Steven Granner, a zoning consultant to the project.
"It's a tight site" of slightly more than half an acre, he said. To fit the tower on the site, plans call for closing an alley and locating a side wall just 3 feet from a sidewalk, he said.
The buildings that house Prince/Alexander's offices and Hinchman Racing Uniforms would be demolished, Alexander said.

The hotel would cater to users of the Convention Center and new stadium, which will be linked by walkway and tunnel, and to the thousands of yearly visitors to drug maker Eli Lilly and Co.'s corporate campus, part of which is adjacent to the tower site, Alexander said.
It's one of several projects in the area:

Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp. already operates one hotel, a Holiday Inn Express, next to Lucas Oil Stadium. Dora is building two more hotels south of the Holiday Inn and plans a fourth.

At the west end of the Convention Center, construction will start by early next year on a cluster of four hotels containing 1,568 rooms. The largest will be a city-subsidized 1,000-room JW Marriott.

Indianapolis residential builder J. Greg Allen also has a proposal pending city approval to build a dual-hotel complex across Pennsylvania Street from Conseco Fieldhouse. That project would include hotels of 250 and 150 rooms and ground-floor retail space.

A preliminary review of the project, called Penn Centre, is scheduled Aug. 1 before the Indianapolis Historic Preservation Commission.
Do you think the HPC will become a hassle for Penn Centre?

As hideous as the design is for West Merril Tower, it'd be nice to see a 24 story tower in that area.
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A tiny blurb about Penn Centre is at the end of this article. The rest of it is about a project that is "hidiouse"!!! wtf is up with that parking garage?

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have so many highrises going up. Those who are building them must know something we don't...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...NESS/707210448
The IBJ also has a story about this project. I like the jabs the IBJ takes at the terrible Dora projects near the end of the article. I like the design thats in this article the best of the three we've seen so far.



Hotel tower planned
Architect, partners pitch 24-story building by stadium, Lilly campus

The company’s humble headquarters—two old homes connected in the middle—now sits in one of the city’s most desirable areas for development. The Faris Campus of Eli Lilly and Co. is across the street, and Lucas Oil Stadium is rising fast about a block away.

Now, after years of designing banks, churches and condo conversions, Prince/Alexander Architects Inc. is working with unnamed partners on a plan to replace its headquarters with a $47 million, 24-story hotel and condo development called West Merrill Tower.

The plans call for a 200-room full-service hotel and 48 condos atop a street-Steve Alexander moved his architecture firm to West Merrill Street on the south end of downtown in 1995, when blight was high and land values were low.

He figured both would change, eventually. But he had no idea just how drastically. level restaurant, two-story lobby and seven levels of parking. The design includes blue-tinted windows, granite at the base, and red-brick accents that echo the look of Lucas Oil Stadium. Prince/Alexander is working with the same company that manufactured the stadium’s pre-cast panels.

The development team, known as West Merrill Tower Partners, has filed plans with the city for zoning approval and also is seeking a property-tax abatement. No value has been determined for the abatement. A zoning hearing is expected in August.

Alexander said the group has lenders on board and hopes to start construction quickly so it can get a jump on several other hotel projects in the works downtown.

Among them: a complex of hotels anchored by a JW Marriott convention hotel that will add more than 1,300 new rooms; a project by south-side developer J. Greg Allen that would bring a 240-room Le Meridien hotel and a 150-room Aloft hotel to surface parking lots along Pennsylvania Street; and a plan for a 130-room hotel at Meridian and 18th streets pitched by locally based Inner-Urban Homes & Hospitality.

Alexander said he’s confident the market will support his project. Others have reservations.

“It’s going to take a while to absorb these new rooms,” said Rob S. Hunden, president of Chicago-based hotel consultancy Hunden Strategic Partners. “I’m surprised that everyone believes still that more hotels are a smart investment. I think they have to be real careful in the number of rooms and the niche they’re trying to serve. Almost every niche is being served at this point.”



One advantage is that utilities and other infrastructure are in place for the West Merrill project, thanks to the Lilly campus and stadium construction, Alexander said. And the company already owns the 0.6-acre site, which includes the architects’ office, a parking lot and the concrete-block Hinchman Uniforms building.

“It’s really kind of a plug-and-play situation,” Alexander said. “We’ll be the first out of the ground, hopefully.”

Alexander would not name his partners on the project. He also declined to name the hotel brand developers hope to snag.

Plans call for a 4,000-square-foot restaurant in the hotel lobby, where a grand staircase will lead to a mezzanine level featuring a cocktail lounge. Topfloor penthouse suites will feature floorto-ceiling window walls with unobstructed skyline and stadium views. The 10th floor will feature 12-foot ceilings, a pool and fitness facilities.

The developers are asking city planners to waive some requirements for setbacks and building heights and to vacate part of a north-south alley that would run through the project.

Several other hotels are under construction or in the works around Lucas Oil Stadium, which is set to open in time for the 2008 NFL season. But most of them are limitedservice, suburban-style hotels by Fishersbased Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp.

The company has a 108-room Holiday Inn Express along Missouri Street, and is building a 112-room Staybridge Suites and a 130-room Comfort Suites along South West Street. It’s also planning a 140-room Hotel Indigo along West South Street.

“I’d rather have a smaller hotel that’s economically viable and do well with it, and leave open the [possibility of expansion] if it does well,” said company coowner Tim Dora. “That’s just the way we operate. We’re probably more risk-averse.”

Alexander said he’s frustrated by all the city’s low-rise construction and hopes his 24-story project helps persuade more downtown developers to go vertical.

If the developers pull it off, Prince/Alexander Architects will have to find a new headquarters.

The firm is looking for a blighted area, Alexander said, where “another stadium will be built and a pharma giant will build its headquarters.”





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The IBJ also has a story about this project. I like the jabs the IBJ takes at the terrible Dora projects near the end of the article. I like the design thats in this article the best of the three we've seen so far.



Hotel tower planned
Architect, partners pitch 24-story building by stadium, Lilly campus

The company’s humble headquarters—two old homes connected in the middle—now sits in one of the city’s most desirable areas for development. The Faris Campus of Eli Lilly and Co. is across the street, and Lucas Oil Stadium is rising fast about a block away.

Now, after years of designing banks, churches and condo conversions, Prince/Alexander Architects Inc. is working with unnamed partners on a plan to replace its headquarters with a $47 million, 24-story hotel and condo development called West Merrill Tower.

The plans call for a 200-room full-service hotel and 48 condos atop a street-Steve Alexander moved his architecture firm to West Merrill Street on the south end of downtown in 1995, when blight was high and land values were low.

He figured both would change, eventually. But he had no idea just how drastically. level restaurant, two-story lobby and seven levels of parking. The design includes blue-tinted windows, granite at the base, and red-brick accents that echo the look of Lucas Oil Stadium. Prince/Alexander is working with the same company that manufactured the stadium’s pre-cast panels.

The development team, known as West Merrill Tower Partners, has filed plans with the city for zoning approval and also is seeking a property-tax abatement. No value has been determined for the abatement. A zoning hearing is expected in August.

Alexander said the group has lenders on board and hopes to start construction quickly so it can get a jump on several other hotel projects in the works downtown.

Among them: a complex of hotels anchored by a JW Marriott convention hotel that will add more than 1,300 new rooms; a project by south-side developer J. Greg Allen that would bring a 240-room Le Meridien hotel and a 150-room Aloft hotel to surface parking lots along Pennsylvania Street; and a plan for a 130-room hotel at Meridian and 18th streets pitched by locally based Inner-Urban Homes & Hospitality.

Alexander said he’s confident the market will support his project. Others have reservations.

“It’s going to take a while to absorb these new rooms,” said Rob S. Hunden, president of Chicago-based hotel consultancy Hunden Strategic Partners. “I’m surprised that everyone believes still that more hotels are a smart investment. I think they have to be real careful in the number of rooms and the niche they’re trying to serve. Almost every niche is being served at this point.”



One advantage is that utilities and other infrastructure are in place for the West Merrill project, thanks to the Lilly campus and stadium construction, Alexander said. And the company already owns the 0.6-acre site, which includes the architects’ office, a parking lot and the concrete-block Hinchman Uniforms building.

“It’s really kind of a plug-and-play situation,” Alexander said. “We’ll be the first out of the ground, hopefully.”

Alexander would not name his partners on the project. He also declined to name the hotel brand developers hope to snag.

Plans call for a 4,000-square-foot restaurant in the hotel lobby, where a grand staircase will lead to a mezzanine level featuring a cocktail lounge. Topfloor penthouse suites will feature floorto-ceiling window walls with unobstructed skyline and stadium views. The 10th floor will feature 12-foot ceilings, a pool and fitness facilities.

The developers are asking city planners to waive some requirements for setbacks and building heights and to vacate part of a north-south alley that would run through the project.

Several other hotels are under construction or in the works around Lucas Oil Stadium, which is set to open in time for the 2008 NFL season. But most of them are limitedservice, suburban-style hotels by Fishersbased Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp.

The company has a 108-room Holiday Inn Express along Missouri Street, and is building a 112-room Staybridge Suites and a 130-room Comfort Suites along South West Street. It’s also planning a 140-room Hotel Indigo along West South Street.

“I’d rather have a smaller hotel that’s economically viable and do well with it, and leave open the [possibility of expansion] if it does well,” said company coowner Tim Dora. “That’s just the way we operate. We’re probably more risk-averse.”

Alexander said he’s frustrated by all the city’s low-rise construction and hopes his 24-story project helps persuade more downtown developers to go vertical.

If the developers pull it off, Prince/Alexander Architects will have to find a new headquarters.

The firm is looking for a blighted area, Alexander said, where “another stadium will be built and a pharma giant will build its headquarters.”





http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=3221

MUCH MUCH BETTER! This building is very sleek looking, and the way the ground floor is layed out is rather nice.
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I don't like it. A glass box over a parking garage? I could whip up something better than that myself right now.
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Yes, that last one is the best of the three. I HATED the black one - I mean come on. The last one atleast looks like it is trying to match LOS somehow.

And for everyone who hates the parking garage, don't forget the Radisson downtown is the exact same way, and its not that bad.

It's obvious they are getting parking garage in there somehow, all three proposals had them
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Yes, that last one is the best of the three. I HATED the black one - I mean come on. The last one atleast looks like it is trying to match LOS somehow.

And for everyone who hates the parking garage, don't forget the Radisson downtown is the exact same way, and its not that bad.

It's obvious they are getting parking garage in there somehow, all three proposals had them
well, it isnt a perfect design, they could have put glass in the gaps of the parking garage and a good ventalation system, and the ground floor could use some more retail.
But, it is better than a parking lot and concrete cube.
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Yes, that last one is the best of the three. I HATED the black one - I mean come on. The last one atleast looks like it is trying to match LOS somehow.

And for everyone who hates the parking garage, don't forget the Radisson downtown is the exact same way, and its not that bad.

It's obvious they are getting parking garage in there somehow, all three proposals had them
Speaking of which, I noticed the other day that Radisson is now a Sheraton. When did that happen?

The design in IBJ is significantly better than the other two. The brick base really complements the stadium. The rooms facing the skyline are going to have incredible views.
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Speaking of which, I noticed the other day that Radisson is now a Sheraton. When did that happen?
I haven't seen that, but I did hear they were changing the name... trying to look for a different market of people i suppose.
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Government buoys office market
Downtown vacancy rate drops as agencies expand

Downtown’s anemic office market has shown signs of life over the last few months, but that doesn’t mean companies are taking more space and pushing occupancy rates higher.

Credit goes to the government.

State and local agencies absorbed roughly 175,000 square feet of office space during the second quarter of 2007, pushing the vacancy rate down to 15.9 percent, roughly a point lower than in the first quarter.

The deals include 50,000 square feet for the Public Defender’s Office in the Gold Building; 55,000 square feet for three state agencies, including the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission, in National City Center; and 71,000 square feet for the Indiana Supreme Court in 30 S. Meridian. A big chunk of the space was taken by agencies expanding outside their overcrowded government buildings.

In fact, the government’s share of downtown office space is on track to exceed 7 percent this year, approaching the 10-percent average of the mid-1980s, before a new state government center opened, said Bill Ehret, president of locally based Summit Realty Group. The rate had been below 5 percent for years.

“Now, 25 years later, here we are,” Ehret said. “They’re coming back out and leasing the multitenant office space, which helps stabilize the market.”

The office market has been in dire need of upbeat news. Even with the recent government leases, the vacancy rate for the central business district is up from 14.9 percent in the second quarter of 2006, according to data from the local office of St. Louis-based Colliers Turley Martin Tucker.

Most of the carnage has been borne by a few troubled buildings. The worst is First Indiana Plaza, which will be losing Bose McKinney & Evans in 2008 when the law firm takes 111,000 square feet in Chase Tower. The departure will leave the 31-story First Indiana Plaza near 50-percent occupancy, at a time when the owners are trying to sell it for $60 million.

Other struggling buildings include National City Center and Capital Center, which is losing Huntington Bank to the Sky Bank Building, 45 N. Pennsylvania St. Meanwhile, Chase Tower will be about 98-percent occupied, an impressive feat for the state’s tallest building.

The Gold Building, at 151 N. Delaware St., isn’t far behind. The Public Defender’s lease puts the 400,000-square-foot building at 89-percent occupied.

That office has been cramped in its 34,000-square-foot space in the City-County Building. Lawyers have to double-up on desks, and paralegals are four to a desk in some cases, said Chief Public Defender David E. Cook.

“The space here was just wholly inadequate for us to even do our job, let alone have a professional atmosphere,” Cook said.

The department is scheduled to move starting Aug. 1, into space mainly on the second and third floors of the Gold Building. Only the Juvenile Division will remain in the City-County Building.

Another recently signed government lease is for the city’s Department of Metropolitan Development. Its Division of Compliance is taking 36,000 square feet at 1200 S. Madison Ave. And brokers say some state agencies are looking at space in the Disciples of Christ Building, at 32 E. Washington St.

“We’re very fortunate right now that the public sector is needing additional square footage downtown,” said Jeff Henry, managing partner of the local office of Colliers Turley Martin Tucker. “As long as they’re expanding and moving out of government buildings, and not competing buildings.”

But the market still isn’t strong enough to justify construction of much new office space, Henry said.

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well, it isnt a perfect design, they could have put glass in the gaps of the parking garage and a good ventalation system, and the ground floor could use some more retail.
But, it is better than a parking lot and concrete cube.
I think that this will be 261 foot tall. That setback article from last week had stated approx 261 building. It looks taller. The under 300 foot buildings, proposed amazes me. This guy is tired of the low rises. At least the JW, and I imagine the Penn Tower will be over 300'. This design at least is nicer then the other 2, still any garages in existing towers that are part of a neat building anyone can think of?
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A tiny blurb about Penn Centre is at the end of this article. The rest of it is about a project that is "hidiouse"!!! wtf is up with that parking garage?

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have so many highrises going up. Those who are building them must know something we don't...
These are all proposals at this point, until the financing is secured and the ground is broken. But it is nice to all of the proposals - this is reminiscent of the mid 80's to early 90's period. Congratulations to Prince/Alexander for making an ugly design absolutely hideous.
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