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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:01 AM   #7461
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It is actually mostly about economics in my view. The US cannot afford to build - there is already major mortgage fallout and it is not done yet. As any economist with self-respect will tell you, the overall financial situation in the US is extremely bad. There is massive debt and deficit, and the light at the end of the tunnel is a long ways away. The US simply cannot finance too much major construction going forward, as the pistons of the economic engine are seizing up, while other countries are not stepping in to bail them out any more. The mortgage crises will be followed up soon enough by the car sector, which has been faltering for a decade now! Just as an example, the Canadian dollar, which many of my US friends used to condescendingly refer to as monopoly money, is now at par with the US dollar, gaining 50% over the last few years!

But with that, we should probably be getting back to the worlds tallest free-standing structure, the Burj Dubai ... in Asia!
Wow, this is profoundly misinformed.

The weakness in US currencies only helps to drive manufacturing business toward the US.

The credit crunch is a blip due to another instance of "irrational exuberance" -- this time in the subprime lending sector. Once a few subprime companies bite the dust and the big banks clear the wreckage off their books, credit will open up again.

It'd be nice if we'd start paying down our national debt, tho.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:12 AM   #7462
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Yeah, the financial situation in the US is "extremely bad". That's why our GDP per capita is down by 50%, unemployment is up 50%, and people can't even afford bread anymore. Oh wait....

Talk about an exaggeration...
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:17 AM   #7463
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is it poseble to buld a sutch a tower whit the concrete material we have today ?

Vanhenrik, we could build up to 10 KM+ Iff we wanted to.

Think away looks. Think away the money spending. Think away the length off construction and focus only soly on height then yes we can build higher then 10/15 Kilometers.

Dont ask the prize and the number off fatalities... It would be astronomical.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:19 AM   #7464
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Oh Old Town Resident, nice pics you made right there man!!! Great job at giving those HQ pics

I hope that the concrete ends at floor 162 instead off floor 158. We can get a taller burj out off the same bang

Let it be 858 meters
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:26 AM   #7465
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Wrong! maybe you need to be there.
That is indeed the ALMAS Tower in JLT.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:28 AM   #7466
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was that real?
where was is proposed for?
It was just a Architect's vision, displayed in a Real Estate Exibition in Dubai last year. It is not a real project or a proposal by any developer.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:33 AM   #7467
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Yes that was the schedule so why be so gullible to say that is actually happening. The steelwork is not there!!!!!
Just a very small shipment of materials have arrived in Dubai. A bulk carrier is on the way from Korea to bring more.

However people, remember that the original plans ask for 6 months wait before they put the metal support brasing on the roof of the 155th floor. Does it means we will not see any steel section erected at all till then? I really don't know but I doubt it will happen.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 02:00 AM   #7468
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Yeah, the financial situation in the US is "extremely bad". That's why our GDP per capita is down by 50%, unemployment is up 50%, and people can't even afford bread anymore.
Actually, your GDP in relative terms has taken a nose dive. It is still X billion US dollars, but the US dollar is worth much less than it used to be ... so there you go. I see it is down again!

Those in the know will tell you that financial difficulties is why the top quarter of the freedom tower is a big antenna. Actually building to the 1776 height would have been too expensive, and that is why the taller proposals were rejected.

Now PLEASE - back to the tallest - Burj Dubai!!!
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Old September 29th, 2007, 02:14 AM   #7469
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steel section stars next week according to www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com



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Old September 29th, 2007, 03:00 AM   #7470
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is it possible to build such a tower with the concrete material we have today ?

[img]http://i23.************/14n00ew.jpg[/img]

dude, please try to improve your english, I mean it, you can be weak at it, but what was unpardon is that you don't even bother to improve ur language skill at all.


And yes, we do have enough concrete material.



Anyway the report say start work on steel framework next week, it more like a load of nonsense, they mistook working for storing.


If like what old resident said, then we are very convinced that the concrete section has already been increased to beyond L156. No kidding, there is already 2 evidence to support that.


one is from the inside news from one of the forumers here, the other was a article written to comment the occasion when BD surpassed T101, where official say 80m app. to go 3 weeks after T101 was surpassed


P.S Sorry guys I can't quote these 2 proofs as you know scouring within 373 pages of thread is not an easy task, and that will probably remain until a new thread has been created
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Old September 29th, 2007, 05:22 AM   #7471
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You might want to check your own English, as I don't believe that is what he/she was asking.
I think that he was asking whether or not we have concrete that is strong enough to go that high.

From what I am aware of, the Burj Dubai and other current 'supertalls' (ie, Chicago Spire) are pushing the limits of modern concrete technology as it is.

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Old September 29th, 2007, 05:35 AM   #7472
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Current technologies would permit over 2000 meters.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 05:38 AM   #7473
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You might want to check your own English, as I don't believe that is what he/she was asking.
Mgk20 already elaborate what was Venhrike trying to ask, and even if i have elaborate wrongly den you can't blame me as well because I barely had any idea what he wanted to ask in that kind of language.


I did my best to answer him, and yes regarding if material was strong enough, Someone did mention here that BD has a foundation that is good enough to support up to 2700m of concrete before collasping down under its own weight. With good design that reduced external stress, its possible to build a 6000ft structure like legacy tower.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 06:19 AM   #7474
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Does anyone realize how amazing Burj Dubai's strcuture is? Its floorslabs are paper-thin with no supporting beams underneath! How do they do it?
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Old September 29th, 2007, 06:24 AM   #7475
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a round 40 m taller then burj dubai is now !
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Old September 29th, 2007, 07:15 AM   #7476
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anyways..... great photo update. i cant wait to visit dubai one day. when and if i could ever get enough money to do so.

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Old September 29th, 2007, 10:41 AM   #7477
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Wow. What a building.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:34 PM   #7478
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Does anyone realize how amazing Burj Dubai's strcuture is? Its floorslabs are paper-thin with no supporting beams underneath! How do they do it?
The floorslabs support only their own weight, they don't have to support the weight of the structure above them. This building is a huge core.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:44 PM   #7479
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Does anyone realize how amazing Burj Dubai's strcuture is? Its floorslabs are paper-thin with no supporting beams underneath! How do they do it?
For the Burj Dubai they've used extra strong concrete, this way floorslabs and supports can be much thinner.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 03:38 PM   #7480
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People, please cut out this crap! I had to delete a whole load of posts.
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