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Old May 29th, 2007, 11:57 AM   #21
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Very good, going to be strange having a single track HSL though.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 04:24 PM   #22
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Very good, going to be strange having a single track HSL though.
One of the options requested in the RFP was for diesel trains running between Rosario and Cordoba. It would appear that Veloxia does not expect to deliver that option.
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Old June 21st, 2007, 03:19 AM   #23
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No news except this scale model of the planned high-speed units, which was presented today in Rosario.

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no puede ser que YO me tenga que poner a investigar!!!!

solo, pero solo de lo copado que soy pongo la foto de la maqueta, pero solo por que no soy un ortiva como el resto ¬¬


pero que sea la ultima vez!!!!

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Old June 22nd, 2007, 11:02 AM   #24
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Thanks for posting those pics AR... I can only drool when I see that scale model.

Couldn´t be happier with the proyect´s progress... at the very beginning just a few dreamers thought this would be possible in a country that has seen it´s railway network been overrun by decay for decades.

This will not only affect Argentina´s movility system, but might also be a technology plattform from where the high speed system could be taken for example by other latinamerican countries (not far ago, I read Brazil was considering a high speed line between it´s two major cities).

Not to mention Alstom´s intrest in the concretion of this proyect, for whose this will mean being seen as the provider of the first great technologycal leap in rail movility in Latinamerica.

If everythings goes as planned we´ll have news in very few days.

Thanks for keeping up
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 08:22 PM   #25
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Good to see something happening in Argentina re. rail transport.
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Old August 20th, 2007, 05:18 AM   #26
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The proposed Buenos Aires-Rosario-Cordoba high speed rail by no means would be unjustified as many folk argue, it would serve as a "jump start" for witch the system badly in need of repair needs, it would truly serve as a "trampoline" for the rest of the lines that urgently need to catch up! CaĎ



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Old August 23rd, 2007, 08:49 PM   #27
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Here the latest news from www.railwaygazette.com @ http://www.railwaygazette.com/featur...ed_future.html
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Old September 17th, 2007, 05:28 PM   #28
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ACUERDO ENTRE EL GOBIERNO, ALSTOM Y EL BANCO SOCIETE GENERALE

Financiarán el tren bala con la garantía de un bono del Estado a 15 años

El banco proveerá los fondos para las obras. El tramo hasta Rosario demandará 4 años.

Con cierta demora respecto de los plazos que se barajaron inicialmente, el Gobierno logró cerrar la "estructura financiera" para la construcción del "tren de alta velocidad" que unirá Retiro con Rosario y Córdoba.

Tras más de dos meses de intensas negociaciones; los funcionarios nacionales, el consorcio que lidera la empresa francesa Alstom y el banco Societé Générale acordaron los principales lineamientos del "esquema crediticio y financiero" que se instrumentará para cubrir cerca del 60% del costo total del tren bala.

La crisis financiera internacional que sacude a los mercados y el conflicto que el país mantiene con los bonistas que no aceptaron el canje de la deuda llevaron a la administración kirchnerista a diseñar un atípico modelo de financiación, que se basa en la recepción de un crédito privado que tendrá como garantía la emisión de un bono del Estado.

La próxima semana se aprobará por decreto la "adjudicación" de las obras al grupo constructor y se fijará un plazo de 40 días para redactar y firmar la "letra chica" del convenio financiero y el contrato definitivo de las obras.

De acuerdo con los datos obtenidos por Clarín, las bases del acuerdo que alcanzaron las partes involucradas en el megaproyecto son las siguientes:

# El banco le otorgará al Estado un préstamo que rondará los US$ 1.700 millones. Será a 15 años de plazo, con siete años de gracia y con una tasa de interés inicial del orden del 10% anual.

# Como garantía de pago, el Gobierno el entregará al banco un bono que se emitirá bajo las mismas condiciones del crédito.

# El préstamo tendrá como destino específico la construcción del "tren bala" y los desembolsos irán directamente al grupo constructor a medida que vaya presentando los certificados de las distintas etapas de la obra y concrete la entrega de las formaciones ferroviarias.

El esquema financiero -que los funcionarios quieren suscribir antes de las elecciones del 28 de octubre- se podrá mejorar una vez que el país llegue a un acuerdo para saldar la deuda con el "Club de París" que integran las principales naciones desarrolladas, entres las cuales se encuentra Francia, la patria de Alstom y el Societé Générale. Según indicaron los especialistas que siguen de cerca la negociación del "tren bala", a los dos años del levantamiento del default con el "Club de París", el gobierno francés estaría en condiciones de otorgar nuevos créditos para cubrir la totalidad del proyecto o ampliar la financiación actual de 15 a 30 años.

Una vez que se firmen el convenio financiero y el contrato integral del proyecto, el Gobierno tendrá que pagar un anticipo del 8% del total de las obras.

Por su parte, el consorcio que lidera Alstom -y que lleva como socias a la española Isolux y a las locales Emepa e Iecsa- deberá empezar con los primeros movimientos de tierra mientras realiza los estudios de ingeniería y de impacto ambiental y la propuesta ejecutiva de la obra.

Esas tareas demandarán entre 8 y 10 meses, y cuando se concluyan se firmará el "acta de inicio de las obras". Desde ese momento, el consorcio tendrá 36 meses para terminar el corredor de alta velocidad a Rosario y 12 meses más para llegar con tren bala a la capital de Córdoba.


http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/09...is/p-01801.htm
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Old October 12th, 2007, 06:21 AM   #29
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The Shinkansen has less trouble than TGV.
But construction expense is expensive because a motor is installed in all vehicles.

Tokaido Shinkansen.
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 09:12 AM   #30
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Is this the 1st real high speed line in the Americas?
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 06:36 PM   #31
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Old October 26th, 2007, 07:56 PM   #32
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Nice job, Argentina. I've been gathering you have your own (commendable) show happening there in your country.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 12:05 PM   #33
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Cool! Hope the Argentinian line becomes the standard for the Americas, so when the time comes that other neighboring countries will have their own HSL, they could be interconnected like in Europe.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 01:08 PM   #34
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Cool! Hope the Argentinian line becomes the standard for the Americas, so when the time comes that other neighboring countries will have their own HSL, they could be interconnected like in Europe.
Well I'd be staggered if they didn't use standard gauge - every other HSL is, even in countries that hadn't used it before.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #35
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Well I'd be staggered if they didn't use standard gauge - every other HSL is, even in countries that hadn't used it before.
It seems that besides commonality there are also technical reasons for the use of standard gauge for high-speed trains.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 04:41 AM   #36
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Come on boys

Come on boys, there's only one "standard" in high speed rail, what are you talking about, OK, maybe a new standard could be developed where eight row seating with two alleys could be developed, but please, the whole world is listening! CaĎ de la Ciudad
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Old November 4th, 2007, 04:56 AM   #37
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Come on boys, there's only one "standard" in high speed rail, what are you talking about, OK, maybe a new standard could be developed where eight row seating with two alleys could be developed, but please, the whole world is listening! CaĎ de la Ciudad
We were referring to track gauge. "Standard gauge" is what we call "trocha media", or 1,435 mm between rails. The mayority of Argentine railway lines use broad gauge, though there's also a huge narrow gauge network.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 04:25 AM   #38
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good for argentina. do many argentinians live in spain?
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Old November 8th, 2007, 04:47 AM   #39
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Nice, but they should extend it in both directions to Santiago and Montevideo.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 06:11 AM   #40
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Is this the 1st real high speed line in the Americas?
If it gets built.. The uS also is planning a high speed rail (california).
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