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Old November 10th, 2007, 07:26 PM   #41
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Is this the 1st real high speed line in the Americas?
There are several projects in
- USA: California, North-East corridor, Texas TGV.
- Canada: Quebec-Windsor (Detroit) corridor, Toronto-Buffalo
- Brasil: Rio-Sao Paulo, Brasilia-Goaiana.
I know that Mexico planed to build HSR in the past.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 06:42 AM   #42
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Argentina chooses Alstom-led consortium to build the first very high speed line in Latin America
16 January 2008

The President of the Argentine Republic, Cristina Fernàndez Kirchner, officially announced on 16 January, 2008, that Alstom and its partners IECSA, Emepa, Isolux Corsan have been awarded the first very high speed link project in Latin America, between Buenos Aires, Rosario and Cordoba. This adjudication is a decisive step in the project, before the finalisation and signature of the contract which is scheduled in the next few months.

The line will link Buenos Aires and Cordoba, 710 km apart, in three hours instead of the 14 hours the journey takes today. It will be served by eight double deck very high speed trains, each with a capacity of 500 passengers, operating nine return trips every day at speeds of up to 320 kph.

This turnkey project will involve the construction of the infrastructure, including 7 stations and 780 kilometres of tracks, electrification, signalling (ERTMS level 2), the supply of rolling stock and maintenance. Alstom, the consortium leader, will undertake the overall management and engineering of the project, the supply of rolling stock, signalling, communication systems, electrification and maintenance. The trains will be manufactured at Alstom’s French plants and assembled at the Alstom site at La Plata, in the province of Buenos Aires. IECSA will be in charge of civil works with Isolux Corsan and EMEPA will participate in the construction of the tracks with Alstom.

“The Buenos Aires-Rosario-Cordoba line constitutes the largest very high speed rail project since the KTX project in Korea. It represents an essential component in the economic development of Argentina, underlines Philippe Mellier, President of Alstom Transport.

This order confirms Alstom’s leadership in very high speed. Since the launch of the first TGVTM in 1981, Alstom has gained unrivalled experience: 70% of the trains in service in the world which travel at more than 300 kph have been built by Alstom. They have covered over 2.8 billion kilometres (6,500 times the distance between the earth and the moon), carried 1.6 billion passengers and achieved two world rail speed records - 515.3 kph in 1990 and 574.8 kph in 2007.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:15 AM   #43
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Double deck trains at >300 km/h? Impressive.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:40 AM   #44
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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:36 AM   #45
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At this rate you will have HSR before Canada does.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:28 PM   #46
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Congratulations to Argentina! This is great news. Any ideas when it may be completed?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #47
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Congratulations to Argentina! This is great news. Any ideas when it may be completed?
Right now, completion of the first section (Buenos Aires-Rosario) is expected for 2011.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #48
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Double deck trains at >300 km/h? Impressive.
These would be TGV Duplex derivates.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 05:55 PM   #49
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That is an ugly train, I am becoming more partial to Shinkansen or ICE-like EMUs.

And is there THAT much demand within a country so (1) large in terms of lands size, being about the size of INDIA and (2) heavily concentrated within Greater Buenos Aires for that much passenger capactiy?

Regardless, it is a great project.
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That is an ugly train, I am becoming more partial to Shinkansen or ICE-like EMUs.

And is there THAT much demand within a country so (1) large in terms of lands size, being about the size of INDIA and (2) heavily concentrated within Greater Buenos Aires for that much passenger capactiy?

Regardless, it is a great project.
Rosario and Córdoba are Argentina's third and second largest cities, with 1.1 and 1.4 million inhabitants, respectively. They also host a substantial part of the country's industries.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 07:04 PM   #51
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And is there THAT much demand within a country so (1) large in terms of lands size, being about the size of INDIA and (2) heavily concentrated within Greater Buenos Aires for that much passenger capactiy?
Yes; they don't have the personal car ownership that the US and Europe do, so transit is a far more attractive option.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 07:55 PM   #52
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There's something weird about that picture. I think it's the rendering of the grass against the ballast, but it looks as though that train's running through somebody's back garden
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Old January 19th, 2008, 03:18 PM   #53
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Old January 20th, 2008, 02:26 PM   #54
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Excellent looking project, could the line eventually be extended to Mendoza/Santiago de Chile/Valparaiso or are the mountains too big to make this practical?
I think the mountains are to big, well of course it would be nice to have a HSR throught them.

At Santiago the range is about 110km wide. In Chile there are U-Valeys so that could be practical. The main tunnel would be at least 40 km. And then on the Argentinean side there are V-Valleys and Canyons. It would be at least the Scale of the AlpTransit project. So it would cost about 20 to 30 times the cost of the current Argentinian HSR project.
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Old January 21st, 2008, 08:46 PM   #55
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As a resident from Argentina, I'd like to point out that this project makes no sense at all, because these kind of trains should be built only in countries with a proper railway system.

Our railway system has been disassembled gradually in the 90's, after the privatization process that gave away the trains for free to the private operators. Entire towns in the inner provinces are now abandoned or have disappeared because the train no longer reaches those places.

Also, the private operators that manage trains in Buenos Aires and nearby cities are heavily subsidised with several millions US$ per day, because the passage cost is extremely cheap and not enough to cover the system's cost.

But despite the huge subsidies, the system is collapsed, police and security does not exists neither on the train or at stations, and most units are 30 or more years old, doors don't work, windows are destroyed.. and so on.






Doors cannot even be closed on peak hours or whenever there are service delays due to other problems caused by lack of maintenance, and ppl end up travelling this way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XAt-VDXSSY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYPU0BoCAOA <- watch this one plz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaV-9-a36bY

People doesn't contribute at all with the train maintenance, by the contrary.. look how this train ended up after a passenger set fire on one of the wagons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbHXs2s9kI

Railway maintenance: What maintenance?? This train almost derails due to the jumping on irregular railways:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srbcALt6U4s

Well this is just to let you know why most ppl here is not quite happy with the proyect.

Also, due to lack of planning, the country cannot generate enough energy and black-outs are constant in major cities like Buenos Aires and Córdoba, and industries cannot operate at full-level due to constant lack of natural gas and power. Many people here suggests that the new high speed train should be operated with AA batteries instead of the 25 KV that we don't know where they'll come from.
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Also, due to lack of planning, the country cannot generate enough energy and black-outs are constant in major cities like Buenos Aires and Córdoba, and industries cannot operate at full-level due to constant lack of natural gas and power. Many people here suggests that the new high speed train should be operated with AA batteries instead of the 25 KV that we don't know where they'll come from.
While most of what you say is true (although not really being a point against the high-speed train), this last comment is not accurate. Black-outs exist, but they are far from being "constant". Also industries have been able to operate at full-level except during a few weeks last winter, and this affected only part of the industries. You also ignore the investment in energy that is being done and will continue to be done during the four years of construction of this project.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #57
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Tech bids opened on Buenos Aires - Mar del Plata high-speed train

CFK chides sceptics who can’t see beyond their noses.
Three consortia submitted bids yesterday to build the Buenos Aires to Mar del Plata high-speed train link.
At an event in Government House, President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner chided sceptics who have complained that the funds could be used “to solve other issues.”
The President compared the criticisms to those made in the ’90s about the construction of the Puerto Madero docklands area, when critics at the time called the project “excessive and unrealizable.”
Fernández de Kirchner insisted that “today Puerto Madero is a wonderful project that has positioned Buenos Aires” and that newspapers in the ’90s that had said that the project was excessive now state that it is a success.
“I don’t want to keep on listening to all the old arguments, such as that ‘there are more important things to do,’” going on to add that “luckily there are people that can see further than the end of their noses.”
At the event yesterday the government received the offers from the three consortia that are bidding for the US$600 million contract: France’s Alstom, Spanish group Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (CAF) and Maire from Italy. The new train is expected to link Buenos Aires and the seaside resort of Mar del Plata in slightly over two hours travelling at speeds of up to 250 kilometres an hour, with tentative stops at Chascomús and Dolores, two key catchment towns along the route.
The tender for the Mar del Plata line is the second high speed train project that has got off the ground in recent weeks, the Buenos Aires-Rosario-Córdoba line having recently been awarded to Alstom.

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Old February 24th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #58
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There are several projects in
- USA: California, North-East corridor, Texas TGV.
- Canada: Quebec-Windsor (Detroit) corridor, Toronto-Buffalo
- Brasil: Rio-Sao Paulo, Brasilia-Goaiana.
I know that Mexico planed to build HSR in the past.
sorry but this "Brasilia - Goiania" route is just not true, there are no projects at all about this one.

The Bidding process for the Sp - Rio TGV is expected to start in 2009
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Old February 24th, 2008, 05:36 PM   #59
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Double deck trains at >300 km/h? Impressive.
Just for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y218S...eature=related
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Old February 27th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #60
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Way to go Argentina! I love projects like this! Let's hope one day an extension to Mendoza will also be made. To me, it makes much more sense to invest money in a system like this, which really represents the future of railway travel, than to invest heaps of money in decaying railway lines. Moreover, this railway will service the most urbanized corridor in Argentina.

There will also be a number of stations between the three cities, making it accesible to more people:

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