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Old November 13th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #161
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but if this can work then it can do well for Asia just like it did to europe

sure it will be in finaicial mess but that happened with the seiken tunnel but now its being saved by the shinkansen because it will be used in it

i expect it to be in debt because its a huge project and will take 50 years to get it payed but hey its better being built then nothing at all
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Old November 13th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #162
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all i am saying is that i know it won't be cheap but its better to get it built then do nothing at all
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Old November 13th, 2007, 12:03 PM   #163
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You don't have any notion on how much money it will cost to build a tunnel like this, don't you?

It will cost more then all the costs for all the Shinkansen lines that have been build together. But since the market is small it will never have have the same ridership, especially since flying will be so much faster and probably cheaper. It won't ever be profitable, not in 50 years, not in 100 years.

The governments in Japan and Korea that want to build such a project will will be wiped away in the next elections. There are enough internal problems in both countries that are far more important then the political fighting between these countries, a tunnel wouldn't help anyway. A new wave of younger politicians would do wonders.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 10:12 AM   #164
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but if this can work then it can do well for Asia just like it did to europe

sure it will be in finaicial mess but that happened with the seiken tunnel but now its being saved by the shinkansen because it will be used in it

i expect it to be in debt because its a huge project and will take 50 years to get it payed but hey its better being built then nothing at all
The Seikan Tunnel was built prior to JNR's privatization. JNR back then was the owner of ALL the Shinkansen Lines and was a body of the Government of Japan at the time. In 1987, JNR was bankrupting the Government of Japan, largely due to political Shinkansen Lines, and privatized the body into 7 companies, JR Kyuushuu, JR West, JR Central, JR Shikoku, JR East, JR Hokkaidou, and JR Freight, as well as The Shinkansen Debt Settlement Fund.

The Seikan Tunnel is not used for Shinkansen yet.

It is used for passenger and freight operations though.

The private JRs would in fact prefer not to continue building new Shinkansen lines in Kyuushuu and Hokkaido, but they are required to by law, a law stupidly passed before the network bankrupted the government.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:07 PM   #165
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so your saying that Shinkansen by law should expand the Shinkansen but i think this is great for the Economy i mean they have contiuned building them and they are coming up with the Chou Shinkansen as well

but then thats odd too because the shinkansen is doing well in japan its doing exterminally well and brought japan to the modern era and the reconizable of the world

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Old November 17th, 2007, 10:32 PM   #166
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alot of the international stations will have customs areas before broading the AsiaHSR as the international stations will have brillient Architrcture and will include Artwork and photos of the area historically and well i imagine that well the international Stations will include shops and retail space as well

the architecture of the International Stations will reflect the Cities and countries cultures and some will be Futuristic like the Eurostar's new international stations

people when they appear to the Tokyo International Station they will say wow what a beautiful station i was hoping if i can make it a catherdal type like the Railway Stations of Europe but well i guess i cannot but anyways it will still include the things that make a Railway Station great and this includes the International ones
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The Chuo Shinkansen is not in Hokkaidou or Kyuushuu. The Chuo Shinkansen is guaranteed to make money because it will provide expanded service to an already saturated corridor (there's not much room, if any, to further increase service on the Toukaidou Shinkansen, but there's demand for service increases, which the Chuo Shinkansen can provide as it would service Osaka and Nagoya, in addition to Shinjuku). This is very different from Kyuushuu Shinkansen. The Hokkaidou Shinkansen I will say I do agree with. This is because Haneda-Chitose is the busiest domestic air corridor in the world. The Shinkansen would be capable, I'd argue, of offering attractive competition to the aircraft along this corridor if they can push the Fastechs to their limits, which they are having some problems on with environmental impacts. Kyuushuu is not the smartest Shinkansen. JR Kyuushuu is one of the JRs designed to operate at a loss. This is BAD FOR THE ECONOMY.

They should NOT be building Shinkansen where there is no business case for Shinkansen, but the HAVE TO because the law has not been repealed - it should be repealed.

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but then thats odd too because the shinkansen is doing well in japan its doing exterminally well and brought japan to the modern era and the reconizable of the world
The Toukaidou Shinkansen shocked the railway industry worldwide. It also paid for itself in 5 years. That's astounding. The Jouetsu Shinkansen is one of the worst performers and many have said it should never have been built. JR East has finally been able to bring this line out of the red, but only recently. Not all Shinkansen Lines do well from the get-go. Some of them were stupid at first. "If you build it, they will come" is the logic applied, but they always forget the disclaimer and more important continuation "If you build it well, they will stay".
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Old November 18th, 2007, 10:33 PM   #168
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so your saying the Kynushu Shinkansen is bad but its bringing high speed Rail Travel to places in Kyunshu that are not serviced well but i think its great bringing a shinkansen service to an island not serviced well by it

also the Kynushu Shinkansen will go to Nagasaki soon which to the shinkansen adds a bonus factor because its a city as well and will link with Hakata with the Sanyo Shinkansen

Joetsu Shinkansen was bad???? but i thought Expanding Shinkansen is good??? like the Horikuku Shinkansen it will services areas where the current shinkansen are not there yet??
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so your saying the Kynushu Shinkansen is bad but its bringing high speed Rail Travel to places in Kyunshu that are not serviced well but i think its great bringing a shinkansen service to an island not serviced well by it

also the Kynushu Shinkansen will go to Nagasaki soon which to the shinkansen adds a bonus factor because its a city as well and will link with Hakata with the Sanyo Shinkansen

Joetsu Shinkansen was bad???? but i thought Expanding Shinkansen is good??? like the Horikuku Shinkansen it will services areas where the current shinkansen are not there yet??
Christ guy, you just don't get it.

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