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Old September 25th, 2010, 11:34 PM   #101
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Why dont u guys use Wikipedia?

There is a page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio%E2%...igh-speed_rail
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:06 AM   #102
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Why dont u guys use Wikipedia?

There is a page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio%E2%...igh-speed_rail
Because in a 3-min reading I already found errors:

- there is no Jundiaí station on most recent versions of the project
- ticket price is up (way up) of the US$ 60 (which the article doesn't say for which city pair anyway)
- there is no Resende station defined as now. It will likely be in Barra Mansa, 30 km east.
- the chart is wrong, shuffling the correct order of 2 of the stations
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Old November 18th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #103
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Tender of the project is confirmed and will be held Nov 29th, despite protests of some possible contenders that wanted "more time" to analyze and discuss it.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 04:03 AM   #104
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Brazil Says Korea is Most Prepared to Build its First High-Speed Rail



Brazil Says Korea is Most Prepared to Build its First High-Speed Rail
A Brazilian daily reports Korea is evaluated as the most prepared country to build Brazil's first high-speed railway, the TAV.
The report says Brazil's president-elect Dilma Rousseff met with Korea's land, transport and maritime affairs minister Chung Jong-hwan during the Group of 20 Seoul summit last week and said only Korea has a consortium that is ready to participate in the bidding slated for next month.
The project is worth about 19 billion US dollars connecting Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Campinas in a single line of 5-hundred-11 kilomters long.
The completion is expected by 2016 before the Summer Olympics kick off in Rio de Janeiro.

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Old November 21st, 2010, 08:31 PM   #105
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Isn't it a bit late for 2016? This isn't China after all!
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Old November 24th, 2010, 08:32 AM   #106
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Hello, I do not know where to post, so I'll post here, some new trains here in Brazil, not so new, however, are recent:



ps:this is from 1998

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ps: this is from 2010


So these are the newest trains in Brazil, and are yet to come for more ROTEM Superhighway and Metrorio (rio de janeiro), and CAF to Metrorec (Recife), and CAF for MetroSP and CPTM (Sao Paulo).
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Old November 24th, 2010, 01:02 PM   #107
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But, in 2010 the studies for Sao Paulo-Curitiba and Sao Paulo-Belo Horizonte, starts.
lol! very optimistic. they haven't yet dig a single whole for the first tav line and you think that the next ones have any chance of being started.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 04:17 PM   #108
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Hello, I do not know where to post, so I'll post here, some new trains here in Brazil, not so new, however, are recent:
http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos...3aHPvymzp1.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/v...modificada.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...i/DSC04936.jpg
ps:this is from 1998
http://urutau.proderj.rj.gov.br/impr...12supervia.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/...7baa56df_z.jpg
ps: this is from 2010
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...I/DSC07950.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...u/DSC07101.jpg
So these are the newest trains in Brazil, and are yet to come for more ROTEM Superhighway and Metrorio (rio de janeiro), and CAF to Metrorec (Recife), and CAF for MetroSP and CPTM (Sao Paulo).
This is not the appropriate place to post this. The threads below are more appropriated:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=151447

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=556970 - You need to ask to change the title to "Rio de Janeiro | Rail transport" or something that makes sense to put Supervia and Metrô-Rio's photos.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #109
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Brazil revives high speed rail project
http://www.railway-technology.com/fe...il-high-speed/
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Despite a troubled development due to a lack of private bidders and numerous false starts, Brazil is preparing to open a new round of bidding for its $16.5bn high-speed rail line from Rio de Janeiro to Campinas via São Paulo.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #110
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Not started yet.

The rail project is now under EPL control. A new brazilian company made only for plannig, logistics and infrastructure.

But lets wait, the turtles are running.
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Old November 6th, 2012, 10:02 AM   #111
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Not started yet.

The rail project is now under EPL control. A new brazilian company made only for plannig, logistics and infrastructure.

But lets wait, the turtles are running.

I like it.

Lets just hope their not running just to run away with some state funds.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 04:33 PM   #112
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The report says Brazil's president-elect Dilma Rousseff met with Korea's land, transport and maritime affairs minister Chung Jong-hwan during the Group of 20 Seoul summit last week and said only Korea has a consortium that is ready to participate in the bidding slated for next month.
Isn't that a bad sign? If you're the only consortium interested in bidding, that means the others find the terms too onerous or lacking merit.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 01:24 PM   #113
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There must be some really onerous government requirements, otherwise there would be a lot of interest from both Asia and Europe. On paper Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro is a perfect route for HSR satisfying all requirements for distance and population dynamics (South American equivalent of Tokyo-Osaka).
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #114
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Brazil eases terms to attract HSR bidders

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Brazil sweetens bullet train terms

December 14 2012 at 02:00pm
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Brazil set more attractive and less risky terms on Thursday to attract international bids to operate a high-speed train between its two biggest cities after an attempt last year found no takers.

The planned 350 km per hour (217 mile per hour) bullet train will run between Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and the fast-growing adjacent city of Campinas by 2020, said Bernardo Figueiredo, head of the government agency in charge of infrastructure projects.

The government will shoulder more of the risk by raising to 45 percent from 30 percent the public stake in the consortium that will design the high-speed system, provide the technology and the trains for it, and operate it on a 40-year concession.

“It's a way of sharing the risk with the investor and making the project more attractive,” Figueiredo told a news conference.

The winner must invest an estimated 7.7 billion reais ($3.7 billion), offer economy class tickets of no more than 200 reais ($100) and guarantee that trains cover the 260 miles (420 km) between Rio and Sao Paulo in no more than 99 minutes.

To qualify to bid, companies cannot have had a fatal accident on an existing high-speed system they operate in the past five years. That's down from the 10 years required earlier.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 03:38 PM   #115
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So China can't qualify because of their recent HSR accident?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 04:35 PM   #116
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The brazilian government changed the rules to forbid the chinese enterprises
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Old December 14th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #117
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The brazilian government changed the rules to forbid the chinese enterprises
Well it was already 10 years... so China couldn't compete under those rules either.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #118
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Anyone has any insights into why the previous bids (few years ago) failed? One could hardly think about more favorable route for HSR than Rio to Sao Paulo...
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Old December 15th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #119
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Anyone has any insights into why the previous bids (few years ago) failed? One could hardly think about more favorable route for HSR than Rio to Sao Paulo...
They wanted train operation companies to undertake, under their (or under a consortium leaded by them) responsibility and own risk, all construction (including eminent domain and environmental damage mitigation) and rolling stock procurement costs, which was an expectation that didn't make any sense. Train operation companies are not construction companies, they don't even have capital to undertake US$ 18-20 billion construction financing, and any arrangement in which they were partners in consortium with construction companies would leave them without enough shares to actively control the operation, putting them at the mercy of local Brazilian big construction firms.

Now, they've split the bid process into two separate contracts, one for operation, one for capital expenses. They will first select an operator (there are just 5 or 6 worldwide that qualify for that), which will also buy rolling stock on its own.

Then, with the fine-tuned engineering requirements and constraints associated with the operator's rolling stock and related choices, they will take bids for construction works, which will be very expensive considering almost 1/3 of the line will be underground, including a massive 40km+ tunnel underneath São Paulo metro and adjacent mountain ridges.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #120
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Well it was already 10 years... so China couldn't compete under those rules either.
Brazil change contest rules to allow the participation of South Korea

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(...) y a instancias del consorcio coreano cuyo operador tiene una experiencia en explotación de alta velocidad de ocho años, se ha reducido el tiempo mínimo de experiencia sin accidentes de diez a cinco años, lo que le permitirá presentarse al concurso.

At the request of the Korean consortium whose operator has experience in high-speed operation of eight years, has reduced the minimum experience without accidents from ten to five years, which will allow him to contest.

http://www.vialibre-ffe.com/noticias.asp?not=9779
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