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Old December 16th, 2012, 04:45 AM   #121
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Considering the situation in which this was all left in-limbo, I imagine the Koreans are going to be competing primarily on price and the potential to sell the new +350km/h trains scheduled for use within Korea within a few years. If I were a relatively new player in this field, which is dominated by well-established names, I'd be pretty desperate to get such a showcase project.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 04:52 AM   #122
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On the other hand, if I was Brazilian government I would go for one of the well established systems/suppliers (French, German, Spanish or Japanese). Japanese perhaps a bit more risky than the other three since I don't think they've ever exported their Shinkasen technology abroad.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 05:54 AM   #123
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Old December 16th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #124
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On the other hand, if I was Brazilian government I would go for one of the well established systems/suppliers (French, German, Spanish or Japanese). Japanese perhaps a bit more risky than the other three since I don't think they've ever exported their Shinkasen technology abroad.
French is very likely because they have plenty of export and operational experience, second is Japanese who have exported HSR technology to Taiwan and Mainland China. Germany doesn't have an impeccable safety record like the Japanese but they are a good alternative, Spain's HSR industry is much smaller than those aforementioned three.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #125
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Well it was already 10 years... so China couldn't compete under those rules either.
In Chinese system, the Yongtaiwen PDL is not a High Speed Rail.

High Speed Rail in China refers to railway lines with 300+km/h operating speed and 350+km/h design speed.

the Yongtaiwen line is PDL with 200+km/h operating speed and 250+km/h design speed
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Old December 17th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #126
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French is very likely because they have plenty of export and operational experience, second is Japanese who have exported HSR technology to Taiwan and Mainland China. Germany doesn't have an impeccable safety record like the Japanese but they are a good alternative, Spain's HSR industry is much smaller than those aforementioned three.
Spain has the most dense HSR network, excellent records and also recent export to Turkey, I wouldn´t underestimate them.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 04:22 AM   #127
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when will start the high speed railway construction???
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Old December 17th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #128
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Spain has exported its high Speed trains and tech to countries such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Russia among others. The last big contract signed was with Saudi Arabia for a value around 9000 millon dollars linking La Meca and Medina (450 kms away) in less than 90 minutes.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 12:13 PM   #129
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when will start the high speed railway construction???
Mid-2014 should be the likely date of first heavy construction activity.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #130
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Why the gap between ûberlandia and Goiana? And why no Rio de Janeiro - Belo Horizonte?
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Old December 17th, 2012, 01:25 PM   #131
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Why the gap between ûberlandia and Goiana? And why no Rio de Janeiro - Belo Horizonte?
This map is pure fiction. It's really just a fanboy map.

The problem with any rail project in Brazil is this:



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The area where 70% of the population lives is too hilly for rail.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #132
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Very few places if any are too hilly for train as long as you have a desire for it (and money). Switzerland and Austria have excellent rail systems, Italians also built their HSR in very hilly areas and so did Japanese and Chinese.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #133
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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #134
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Very few places if any are too hilly for train as long as you have a desire for it (and money). Switzerland and Austria have excellent rail systems, Italians also built their HSR in very hilly areas and so did Japanese and Chinese.
60% of the Italian HRS is on dead-flat terrain. Sure, you have the 76km of tunnels between Bologna and Firenze but sill..

Just bear in mind Brasilia and São Paulo, for instance, are more than 900km apart - for instance -.
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Just bear in mind Brasilia and São Paulo, for instance, are more than 900km apart - for instance -.
I agree that particular route would be pushing it, but Rio to Sao Paulo is an almost ideal 500 km apart. Some other possibilities: Sao Paulo - Curitiba - Florianopolis 700 km; Sao Paulo - Belo Horizonte 600 km; Rio - Belo Horizonte 450 km.

Will they want to invest a lot of money in a top class system remains to be seen, but notice that virtually every country who has built one HSR line were eager to build more. So the hardest step is to get the first line running.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #136
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Just bear in mind Brasilia and São Paulo, for instance, are more than 900km apart - for instance -.
So are Lille and Marseille...
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Old December 21st, 2012, 10:59 AM   #137
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So are Lille and Marseille...
Maybe you didn't know, but there are major cities between Lille and Marseilles. Without Paris and Lyon along the way there would be no LGV connection Lille-Marseilles.
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Maybe you didn't know, but there are major cities between Lille and Marseilles. Without Paris and Lyon along the way there would be no LGV connection Lille-Marseilles.

A Brasilia - Sao Paulo HSL could have several large urban areas along its route too...
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Old December 21st, 2012, 05:28 PM   #139
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A Brasilia - Sao Paulo HSL could have several large urban areas along its route too...
Huge news flash: the average disposable income for Brazilians is much lower than that of French. Costs (capital and operations) should be lower in Brazil, but not so much as the difference in disposable income.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 05:51 PM   #140
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Same could be said about Chinese. Infrastructure should be built with one eye to the future.
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