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Old September 1st, 2007, 08:59 AM   #341
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I think this is the new version. It changes depending on how you look at it and the amount of light. It's very cool.





Alas, there are no renderings of 2WTC's base yet.
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Old September 1st, 2007, 09:02 AM   #342
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thanks, thats really nice.
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Old September 1st, 2007, 05:08 PM   #343
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did the title always say prep?
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 06:17 PM   #344
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So does anyone know when they will start these??
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 06:30 PM   #345
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end of 2007
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Old September 4th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #346
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After what happened at Deustche Bank, it could be pushed back up to another year.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 12:21 AM   #347
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Totally n0t true, construction starts after Christmas. The only way it could be delayed is if 130 Lib collapsed.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 12:27 AM   #348
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these are going to take like a year+ for the core to start rising right?
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Old September 4th, 2007, 12:33 AM   #349
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I suppose so, but during that time, we watch the Freedom Tower rise! They will be completed by 2011.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 12:35 AM   #350
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yeah , the freedom tower will quench our ...uh whats the word haha
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Old September 4th, 2007, 12:43 AM   #351
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Old September 4th, 2007, 01:09 AM   #352
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So, is it correct to assume that by 2012, buildings 1-5 will be done?
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Old September 4th, 2007, 01:35 AM   #353
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Old September 5th, 2007, 12:35 AM   #354
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Totally n0t true, construction starts after Christmas. The only way it could be delayed is if 130 Lib collapsed.
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WTC, PAST & FUTURE: HALTED AGAIN?


Fatal: The Deutsche Bank building burns last weekend.

August 22, 2007 -- NEW Yorkers who care passionately about the future of the World Trade Center site - those who understand that Downtown's fate still depends on that, despite the area's current boom - can only pray for a swift resumption of work at 130 Liberty St., where two firefighters lost their lives last weekend.

More of Ground Zero's rebirth than first seems apparent depends on the complete demolition of the old Deutsche Bank tower. Common sense, however, suggests that it might be a long time - not just a few days or even weeks - before the takedown of the tragic, contaminated hulk can resume.

If the delay drags on, there's no telling how badly it might derail the reclamation of a site that has taken six years to gain traction.

The importance of the Liberty Street demolition was explained in detail by The New York Times' David W. Dunlap last winter. For starters, the site must be cleared before the LMDC can turn it over to the Port Authority, which will then hand it over to JP Morgan Chase to start work on its planned new headquarters tower there.

The PA technically has until mid-2009 to turn the land over to the bank - but that's based on an option to extend a more desirable deadline of mid-2008. Who can say how JP Morgan's confidence in the deal might be jarred by a year's delay?

The Deutsche site, as Dunlap explained, is also intricately linked to conditions on the north side of Liberty Street in Ground Zero itself. In a nutshell, the PA can't fulfill its commitment to construct new underground infrastructure there without first having access to the earth beneath 130 Liberty St., because the two sites are connected by sewer pipes.

Without being able to dig under 130 Liberty St. and moving the pipes, the PA can't create a new "bathtub" along Ground Zero's south side. Without the bathtub, it can't build an underground vehicle security center there.

And without the vehicular facility, Dunlap pointed out, it can't provide the truck access Larry Silverstein will need to complete the interiors of Towers 3 and 4 - the first two of three office buildings he is to develop in Ground Zero, and on which he is to start work immediately after Jan. 1.

In fact, a downtown rebuilding official ominously told me yesterday, "Not having the vehicle security center will negatively affect everything - not just Silverstein's buildings, but also the Freedom Tower, the Memorial and the new PATH terminal."

PA officials say the delay at 130 Liberty St. won't affect its construction of a new east bathtub wall, which it's obliged to finish by Dec. 31; assuming they're right, Silverstein can at least start on Towers 3 and 4 on time.

But - and here's the scary part - the PA must also finish the south bathtub by the fourth quarter of 2010, according to agency spokesman John McCarthy. A prolonged delay in completing the removal of 130 Liberty St. - which seems highly likely, given the time it will surely take to learn what went wrong and to implement new safety procedures - can easily push the south bathtub job back.

That looming possibility can throw monkey wrenches into the whole process.

Both the PA and Silverstein are contractually bound to meet various deadlines, and must pay heavy fines if they fail to meet them. But what if circumstances make meeting those deadlines impossible?

Why, for example, should the PA be penalized for not completing the south bathtub on time if it's physically impossible to do that because 130 Liberty St. hasn't been fully cleared yet?

Why should Silverstein start construction on a giant tower without assurance that he'll be able to finish it?

A well-informed downtown source says Silverstein could, in theory, complete Towers 3 and 4 by letting trucks in through Church Street. But that limited access would be insufficient to allow tenants to build out their new floors or move in.

Why should tenants sign leases when they can't be sure when they can claim their space?

These questions, assuming a worst-case chain of events, might sound paranoid. But Ground Zero's tortured history makes paranoia justified. Let us hope all parties find a way not to let 130 Liberty St. become any more permanent than it already seems.

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Old September 5th, 2007, 02:15 AM   #355
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There will be no big delay. Period. Tower 3 and 4 will be topped by 2010. They still have a long time to fix any problems.

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Old September 5th, 2007, 05:06 AM   #356
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here parades talb to try and rain on the parade
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Old September 5th, 2007, 05:39 AM   #357
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hey guys, when do you think will be a good time to add 2WTC to monthly 400m+ diagrams? if prep has started i suppose it should be added asap.
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is this a Foster? wow
408m still?

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Old September 5th, 2007, 05:56 AM   #358
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It's over 400m for sure, but I'm not sure exactly how tall it is. It will be the last one to rise.
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Old September 5th, 2007, 08:15 AM   #359
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WOW! Nice rendering of WTC2! Last one to rise? Why???
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Old September 5th, 2007, 06:11 PM   #360
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Because of the survivor's staircase (it's in the way) and the fact that it's bigger and taller than the Empire State Building. (So is Tower 3, but T3 is smaller than T2.)
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