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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:49 AM   #901
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Next time when you ask a question, try not to push the Caps Lock and try to write some normal English, this is not MSN. And better not ask these kind of questions in the update threads, although I don't have a clue were it should be put then (we need a official question thread somewhere).

Anyway, I hope this helps:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/s...t=9&ht=2&sro=1

Then you can decide for yourself what you consider how high you consider a tower to be a skyscraper and find the number yourself.
oh yes, sorry i just wanted some1 to answer the question thats y!!!! and thx it helped!!! thank u once again
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:42 PM   #902
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Hi!...sorry for my bed american english...but I'm italian guy....understand me.
These skycreapers are fantastic....and are very very tall....and the construction site is very big...congratulations american people....you are always building a faboulos skycreapers.
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Here in Milan, Italy and in the all Europe, skycraper as your, we are dream!!![sad]
I love NEW YORK, i want see NY with my eyes, not by a photo!!I want come to New York!!!!
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Old February 19th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #903
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Old February 19th, 2008, 07:18 PM   #904
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<< Nice found Densetsu. The site looks ready for the handover to Silverstein
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Old February 19th, 2008, 07:19 PM   #905
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prep work for site 3 is done now and was turned over to Silverstein on Sunday...now get to work!!

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Old February 19th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #906
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great to hear, go 3WTC!!!!
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Old February 19th, 2008, 10:25 PM   #907
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Old February 19th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #908
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Hi!...sorry for my bed american english...but I'm italian guy....understand me.
These skycreapers are fantastic....and are very very tall....and the construction site is very big...congratulations american people....you are always building a faboulos skycreapers.
SORRY for OT
Here in Milan, Italy and in the all Europe, skycraper as your, we are dream!!![sad]
I love NEW YORK, i want see NY with my eyes, not by a photo!!I want come to New York!!!!
Puo venire a New York!
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:27 AM   #909
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NY the best City of the world!!!
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Old February 20th, 2008, 04:39 PM   #910
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another photo of the construction site from flickr

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Old February 20th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #911
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Daaaang! Is that WTC2? I think so. That is one deep mother... cool lets get her off the ground.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 07:53 PM   #912
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that is the plot of WTC3 and WTC4
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Old February 20th, 2008, 08:07 PM   #913
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Puo venire a New York!
E' il mio sogno!!!voglio vedere new york e il mega cantiere del nuovo WTC
"Is my dream!! I want see NYC and the mega constuction site of new WTC
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Old February 21st, 2008, 02:41 AM   #914
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that is the plot of WTC3 and WTC4
Wow for some reason I figured that was a completed Fulton Street. Midday cocktail post, sorry. You're right.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 06:25 AM   #915
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/ny...l?ref=nyregion
Work on Site at Trade Center Is Completed 48 Days Late

By GLENN COLLINS
Published: February 20, 2008
After incurring $14.4 million in late fees, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey completed its excavation of the site for two office towers at the World Trade Center complex on Sunday, and turned it over to Silverstein Properties, the developer.

The site preparation in a 3-acre, 80-foot-deep pit adjacent to Church and Liberty Streets took 48 days longer than anticipated, and the authority incurred penalties of $300,000 a day for missing its deadline.

Stephen Sigmund, a spokesman for the authority, said Tuesday: “We would have liked to have finished on Dec. 31, but we are talking about six weeks’ delay in a five-year process involving an incredible amount of building on the entire site.”

The excavation, in an area called the East Bathtub, will be the sites of Tower 3 — at 175 Greenwich Street, which will have 2 million square feet of office space — and Tower 4, which will have 1.8 million square feet of office space at 150 Greenwich Street. Silverstein Properties, owned by the developer Larry A. Silverstein, is the leaseholder on the site and will build on it.

“We will be in full construction mode in a couple of days,” said Janno Lieber, the World Trade Center project director at Silverstein Properties, on Tuesday. “And within the next few weeks, we expect to have 50 workers and 30 pieces of heavy-duty construction equipment working on site.”

In effect, the penalty amounted to $4.4 million since the authority did not have to pay contractors a $10 million incentive for finishing on time.

In a statement on Monday, the authority said the project involved the removal of nearly 400,000 tons of concrete, soil and rock, the construction of a concrete bathtub wall to keep water out of the foundations, and the installation “of more than 240 steel tiebacks to hold that wall in place.”

In a 2006 renegotiation that designated Mr. Silverstein the builder of four towers at the trade center site, the authority insisted that construction be completed within five years, and in turn, Mr. Silverstein won the promise of penalties if the authority failed to finish its excavation on time.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 08:38 AM   #916
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14.4 million well actually its (4.4), well damn but yeee let the games begin
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Old February 21st, 2008, 12:50 PM   #917
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Finally our babies will start to grow.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 03:27 AM   #918
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Pros fear new towers at World Trade Center site have security gaps

by greg b. smith and douglas feiden
daily news staff writers

Sunday, February 24th 2008, 4:00 AM



Law enforcement officials have major concerns about security weaknesses in the planned World Trade Center complex, a Daily News investigation has found.

The potential problems expressed to the Port Authority and others involved in the most high-profile development project in New York City history include:

A row of three mostly glass towers positioned too closely to city streets, increasing their vulnerability to attack.

Difficulties in inspecting some 2,000 delivery trucks and sightseeing buses that will enter or leave the site daily.

A vehicle security center that hasn't been fully designed and relies on vehicle inspection technology that hasn't even been developed yet.

Asked about weaknesses uncovered by The News in the plans for rebuilding Ground Zero, Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne said, "The NYPD has been in talks with the Port Authority, but we don't disclose any information about possible security vulnerabilities for obvious reasons."

Port Authority spokesman Stephen Sigmund said the agency is "very confident that the entire rebuilt WTC site - every building and every square inch - will operate with an unprecedented level of safety and security."

Michael Balboni, Gov. Spitzer's deputy secretary for public safety, emphasized, "At the end of the day, this will be one of the most secure footprints on the globe."

Law enforcement counterterrorism specialists have pinpointed serious flaws in key components of the Trade Center site, including three of the signature office towers projected to open by 2012.

Towers 2, 3 and 4 - which will rise between Greenwich and Church Sts. to 79, 71 and 64 stories, respectively - contain too much glass, sources familiar with the issues said.

They also are not set back far enough from the two streets - where uninspected trucks will whiz by - to meet the most rigorous security standards, the sources said.

"The reimposition of the street grid is an integral part of the plan to bring vibrancy to lower Manhattan," said Avi Schick, chairman of the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.

"The administration understands the need to balance that goal with legitimate security concerns."

Another concern: The buildings do not meet Department of Defense or Department of Homeland Security blast standards. That means they can withstand certain types of explosions - but not more powerful blasts.

The DOD blast standards - rarely applied to U.S. skyscrapers - are typically used in U.S. embassies and missions abroad, sensitive government facilities and military bases.

Counterterrorism officials contend that because of the 1993 and 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center, and Al Qaeda's pattern of repeatedly striking targets, DOD blast standards should be used in the Ground Zero buildings.

"The plans have been out for quite a while on these buildings, and it would have been nice to voice these concerns at the start rather than wait until now," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who represents lower Manhattan. "The community wants to move forward."

A spokesman for Larry Silverstein, the developer of the three towers, declined to comment on security issues.

Silverstein's buildings - including a 1,270-foot giant that will be taller than the Empire State Building - have been designed with a steel-encased concrete core and engineered with safety systems exceeding the city's building code and the requirements of the Port Authority, his company says.

The Freedom Tower's extra safety measures - including being set back farther from the street, thicker glass and upgraded blast standards - were done after the NYPD raised questions about the building's weaknesses. Similar changes were made to the trade center's transportation hub after issues arose.

Asked about the overall effort to ensure the new trade center is secure, James Kallstrom, the former director of the FBI's New York office and former Gov. George Pataki's homeland security chief, said: "It's complicated. It's a very crowded area. It's not easy ... It's going to require state-of-the-art technology and competent, trained manpower."

The need for screening every single truck entering the area and the difficulties of carefully managing inspections were key issues Kallstrom addressed in a report he completed before leaving government last year.

Kallstrom and Balboni declined to discuss the report's recommendations, though Balboni said most were being implemented.

While inspecting thousands of vehicles a day is tough enough, the problem is more complicated in lower Manhattan because of narrow streets and thick traffic.

"We can't let anything enter the underground in that acreage that could have the potential for certain size devices or bombs without proper screening," Kallstrom said.

All delivery trucks and buses will access the complex through a new Vehicular Security Center, an underground complex with an entrance and exit on Liberty St. that will function as the central security checkpoint.

The $478 million project has been on the drawing boards since 2003 and was to start last April, but all the Port Authority has done is move some utilities and sewer lines.

Delays in demolition of the toxic former Deutsche Bank tower have made it close to impossible for construction of the subterranean project to begin.

Bids for a contractor haven't gone out, and excavation of the so-called south bathtub for the center hasn't begun, the bistate agency confirmed.

"Obviously, the fact that [Deutsche Bank] is not down presents some serious challenges to the VSC," Sigmund said.

There's more: The design and engineering specifications, which the Port Authority said in 2006 were being finalized, are not ready, and the screening technology does not exist.

Nevertheless, the PA said the Vehicular Security Center is set to be finished when the other buildings come on line, by 2011 or 2012.

"We will have the appropriate technology to do the screening when the VSC is completed," Sigmund said, noting the facility will meet DOD and Homeland Security standards.

Sigmund said they would inspect vehicles "off-site or in a holding area if necessary," declining to specify where it would take place.

That's a nightmare scenario for downtown residents, who say they're worried the Sept. 11 museum and other buildings will open before the Vehicular Security Center is completed, compromising security and the quality of life.

Asked if he was troubled the center has fallen behind schedule, Balboni said: "I'm not concerned yet, but that could change. We're watching it very closely."

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Old February 25th, 2008, 03:35 AM   #919
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Pros fear new towers at World Trade Center site have security gaps

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"The plans have been out for quite a while on these buildings, and it would have been nice to voice these concerns at the start rather than wait until now," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who represents lower Manhattan. "The community wants to move forward."
My thoughts exactly. Are we supposed to design a fortress now? if Al Qaeda is determined to attack it again I'm not sure that we can do much of anything.

As for the buildings having too much glass - I heard it was going to be glass similar to that used in newer car windows. It'll be laminated so that it won't break into a million tiny shards.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 04:31 AM   #920
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Complete and utter BS. The glass won't shatter into sharp pieces that can kill people. Even the Freedom Tower's base is still covered in glass. There will be no slowdown.

"Too much glass." What a joke.

Seems like any excuse is still OK. It must be someone's birthday, because he or she just got lots of fruitless fodder.
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