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[Hindustani]

well. I'm trying to make a point here. If Hafeez can design something like this he has the ability to built a supertall 100+ Floor tower. No need to run to Foster rightaway. To me, it seems like LORD Foster will always save his best for London as far as supertall are concern.


As far as NOIDA TOWER is concern, I believe it was a working rendering & not the final one. I think its a deceptive design. Its like Burj Dubai renderings when it first came out, everybody slamed it called it too predictable but as tower is taking final shape, everybody is loving it & its looking good enough. NT is one of those kind, believe me, when those 7 cones of NT will go up that high in the sky & each one differently lit up at night. It will be a sight to behold & you will compare it to Petronas or Taipei 101 or even Burj Dubai easily.

Hafeez is creative enough but his creativity is going down the drain thanks to the political hurdles & red tape of India.

Originally Posted by shivy

umm actually i like the egg shaped tower a whole lot more. I just don't find Hafeez contractors designs any good. Im pretty sure they made a few good things, but I dont like their designs. India needs a really cool tower like Taipei 101. Its beautiful and incorporates chinese culture. The noida tower is just...well I don't like it, but thats just my opinion.

[mooktada]

Originally Posted by Hindustani

well. I'm trying to make a point here. If Hafeez can design something like this he has the

Ughhh... . That is one very god, awful, tacky design cheap looking design. I have never been a fan of Hafeez contractor. His designs always have a very flashy, tacky and have very impractical from a business point of view. All those cones, pyramid shaped building, with big holes in the middle may look maybe eye catching at first; but they're not practical and cost effective in the long run. The one Indian architecture firm that I really like is Studio u+A who does a lot of stuff for vatika http://www.studioua.com/

[i-Design]

Unbelievable you are still trying to prove a point!!!
If you think he is designing all the good stuff for London go look again!!!
Why don’t you look at his projects in the Middle East.

There are better Indian architects than him

Once again Haffez is not good. Why don’t you just admit so!!!

[mooktada]

Originally Posted by i-Design

Unbelievable you are still trying to prove a point!!!
If you think he is designing all the good stuff for London go look again!!!
Why don’t you look at his projects in the Middle East.

There are better Indian architects than him

Once again Haffez is not good. Why don’t you just admit so!!!

I haven't seen one world renowned project from hafeez or any Indian architects for that matter. Norman foster I know for a fact is known all over the world.

[Jai]

I give Hafeez his props for being different. In these days of cookie cutter buildings, his stand out. In a lot of his buildings, in a bad way. In others, in a very good way. I love his Imperial Towers in Mumbai, as well as many of his garden-in-the-sky type resi highrises. Lots of times his throwback to art deco works -- especially in Mumbai, with its historic and numerous art deco architecture, but outside Mumbai, not so much.

I think the Noida Tower can look awesome, if the base was different. I'm sure if it ever got/gets past the conceptual stage, it will be redesigned for the better (a la Imperial Towers.) The actual towers and the colors of that project are beautiful.


HC is a mixed bag, but what I give him the most props for is his vocal position that India should go vertical. He was the first major architect in India to take up the clarion call and he did it at a time when NO one in India thought higher than 8 stories. That was visionary, and his designs continue to push the envelope.

That's the problem with pushing the envelope -- its either groundbreaking and beauiful, or tacky and outmoded...


But lets not tear him down just because he dares to be different. I'd rather have a hundred HCs in India building unique(ly Indian) buildings, than a thousand foreign firms building Europa universalis a la China.

[i-Design]

Please, there are other landmark projects designed by other Indian architects.
The projects by morphogenesis and VA Group are very good.

Norman Foster and other international architects can bring about better design and construction practices in India.

Hafeez Contractor should learn to design better commerical buildings and malls like they do all over the world.

Hafeez is not the only architect India has!!! There are others.

Plus, international architects have designed buildings that suit culture of Chinese, arab, europeans and american alike.

Let me say this Norman Foster will do a good job if Reliance and Sobha do not step in his way.

[i-Design]

Ok if these projects don't change your mind then i don't know what!!!!

I have selected these projects based on geographical region.

Middle East:
http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Pro...3/Default.aspx
http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Pro...1/Default.aspx
http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Pro...5/Default.aspx
or
(www.masdaruae.com)

Hindustani go and look at these projects.....think about it before answering or proving a point

[Hindustani]

Jai

forget it. these guys wont get it. They want good enough job from Lord Foster rather than 'dare to be different' job from HC. Foster has been kept away from Burj Dubai & Chicago Spire, two of the most iconic landmark supetall taking shape currently & they dont see the reason behind it. But when it comes to 100+ floor Iconic tower in India, they want good enough rather than HC 'pushing the envelope' style.

I dont see anything wrong in HC's Imperial Twins. They are terrific. NT may not look sleek enough but bear in mind, these are working initial renderings. They will be refined with time. HC over Foster anytime for 100+ supertall anywhere in India. Foster can happily design 30+ towers all over indian cities.

[i-Design]

Hindustani,
Go and learn about architecture and design. Go and educate yourself.....
Go look at look of norman foster's, vagroup etc current projects
Don't be an idiot!!!

You are simply pissing me off I can't stand such BS.

[i-Design]

BPTP is definitely going to make this project look good.
Norman Foster must have definitely started to work on their project in hyderabad.
The company is in talks with norman foster for designing their financial district in noida.

Mr. Kabul Chawla, Managing Director, BPTP Limited said, “We are delighted to have won this important bid. We are excited about the project and we will explore such possibilities as and when the opportunities arrives. We will make this commercial complex a world class destination. The company is also in talk with the renowned architect of the world like Norman Foster, for Hotels, Commercial complex and financial hubs ”. - From BPTP Website....

[TdotTdot]

Originally Posted by Hindustani

Jai

forget it. these guys wont get it. They want good enough job from Lord Foster rather than 'dare to be different' job from HC. Foster has been kept away from Burj Dubai & Chicago Spire, two of the most iconic landmark supetall taking shape currently & they dont see the reason behind it. But when it comes to 100+ floor Iconic tower in India, they want good enough rather than HC 'pushing the envelope' style.

I dont see anything wrong in HC's Imperial Twins. They are terrific. NT may not look sleek enough but bear in mind, these are working initial renderings. They will be refined with time. HC over Foster anytime for 100+ supertall anywhere in India. Foster can happily design 30+ towers all over indian cities.

Dude, no offence but personally i find hafeez's design very bleak, ugly and unimaginative. Does everything he come up with have to look like a tip of a pencil? I think I could have designed better than him when i was a kid. btw, i think burj dubai is pretty dull too. I dont know about the other people in this forum, but I find a lot of chinese designs to be very imaginative in their designs. Look at the Guangzhou TV Tower for example, its simply a marvel. I wish Indian people try to think out of the box for a change.

[shivy]

Originally Posted by TdotTdot

Dude, no offence but personally i find hafeez's design very bleak, ugly and unimaginative. Does everything he come up with have to look like a tip of a pencil? I think I could have designed better than him when i was a kid. btw, i think burj dubai is pretty dull too. I dont know about the other people in this forum, but I find a lot of chinese designs to be very imaginative in their designs. Look at the Guangzhou TV Tower for example, its simply a marvel. I wish Indian people try to think out of the box for a change.

Exactly, Hafeez is probably one of the worst architects I have ever seen. It is a disgrace for India to have such filth. Hafeez has a few good designs like the Imperial towers, but Hafeez just tries to make everything unique without even thinking about design. I believe that uniqueness is great in architecture, but Hafeez cannot do uniqueness. I will also state that this is my opinion and do not take it seriously, but I hate Hafeez and Norman Foster is better in my opinion. I also am a big fan of Chinese architecture.

[Jai]

Originally Posted by shivy

I also am a big fan of Chinese architecture.

That's the thing.. is there even such a thing a modern "Chinese architecture"?

Modern architecture in China, while it can be of high quality and stunning beauty individually, are regionally anonymous. They represent a modern architectural blandness where the same styles, same principals, same shapes are repeated ad nauseum. There is no real major drive for localization, and buildings designed to local custom are cursory and irreverent to the point of tackiness -- I'm thinking about Taipei 101 in particular. (Jin Mao Tower is, however, a far more rooted elaboration of traditional Chinese architecture.)

In India, at least local architects, including HC, are, through their experimentation, evolving an indigenous type of organic-looking postmodern architecture. One that is rooted in Indian architectural principals and tastes resulting in uniquely Indian looking buildings. Just look at the MUMBAI | Projects & Construction and see how unique near-future Mumbai is going to look.

I wholeheartedly welcome a uniquely Indian architectural style that innovates and challenges 'global' architectural 'norms' and 'standards' of beauty, rather than totally and completely devote yourself to apeing the phorein to the point of leading the world in drive architectural uniformity, as China is doing.


It was precisely because of architects like Hafeez Contractor, Charles Correa, Raja Aederi, etc., etc. that the culture of developing indigenous architectural style that is so established that non-Indian architects from Koolhaas to Smith and Gill are now picking up the ball of modern uniquely Indian architectural styles and quirks and running with it, as can be seen in OMA's Parsvnath SEZ extrapolation of the hyper-regionalistic architecture trend at Kochi and S+G's Jupiter Mills extrapolation of the organically shaped, green skyscraper trend at Mumbai.

So while it's easy to take an irrational stance against HC and some of his extravagances (I'm being generous here), and totally throw in with the China way and their excellence in international mediocrity just cause its 'in' now, HC and all like him still gets my total respect and props for continuing to MAKE the trend as opposed to FOLLOW it.

So heres to you HC

[TdotTdot]

Blah... Shanghai, HK towers still rock! If India could have atleast half a dozen skyscrapers, then I would have the leg to start comparing Indian and Chinese architecture. For now, all we have are designs and nothing to look up and say, "how indian"!

But you have a point, if cities in India join the skyscraper race... then I would like to see some elements from Indian architecture incorporated into their design... but at the same time not be too insensitive to global ideas and architecture.

Also i may be uneducated on this topic, but how are organic designs indian?

[Jai]

Mainland China started developing 10 to 15 years before India (I'm leaving HK out of it because it was for 99 years a seperate economic dynamic.) And at the same level of development, India had about the same level of skyscraper development and far more uniqueness in buildings than then-China.

As the last several months has shown, India's urban future is going to be pretty similar to China's. All it takes is a bit of patience and a couple years before real, boots on the ground changes are going to happen.

Dismissing the architectural merit of Indian buildings as 'blah' just cause HK has more towers isn't fair.


BTW, I'm not saying organic designs are Indian, but the Indian take on modern highrise architecture is as a whole a pretty unique and an organic take. When fused with Vaastu Shastra concepts and "green" building designs, India's got some unique sky-garden type buildings. Again, check out the Bombay thread I posted before. Taken as a whole, its pretty clear some unique design elements are forming up there. Nothing concrete of course (no pun intended) but you can see the trends.

If you've had the opportunity to follow this forum for a couple years you can see how its shaping -- where some daring early designs by Indian architects are being put out -- some designs looked at favorably, and some not (HC's The Legend at Worli as an example of the former, and HC's disaster at Konark Empress for the latter.) The design elements of the favorable 'first generation' (for lack of a better word or bigger personal vocabulary) buildings are reflected in 'second generation' buildings which are again pretty experimental and unique on their own merits, etc. Its an evolution of design in progress!

For an example of this, there's a pretty good reason why some 'latest-generation' designs in Mumbai can be strikingly similar extrapolations on a theme yet still be architecturally unique in its trends to modern Indian architecture:




(BTW, 1/2 the buildings above are designed by non-Indian architects, who recognize the vibe and totally throw in behind the design evolution in Mumbai)

i.e. there's definitely a trend which had all these designs independently grow around a similar theme, and a definite linage can be found for these trends. There are several such architectural trends in Mumbai which can be followed like an evolutionary tree... someday I should try to really sit down and work it out to document these...

Anyway, the net result is that Mumbai's architecture as a whole is pretty damned unique and experimental. And India as a whole, while not necessarily following the same architectural trends as Mumbai, is, like Mumbai, feeding and growing off itself architecturally.

I'm very confident what the future will hold for both Mumbai and India as a whole

-Jai

[TdotTdot]

Jai, I like your spirit and faith in India! If only our stupid polticians can get onto their feet and speeden things up or else India will be lagging behind the rest of the world again.

Out of all the designs you posted, i think Jupiter Mills takes the cake! Its simply something new, and I havent seen it anywhere else. I think Indian talls should boast uniqueness, regardless of it is indian or not... we should concentrate on quality not quantity(as in number of skyscrapers), thats the only way we can win this race!

[i-Design]

Most chinese architects are very good in fact. Firms like i-mad and ecadi are legendary when it comes to designing projects in the chinese context.
These firms are so famous that they have even designed projects for foreign countries.

Also, most foreign firms like OMA, SOM, HOK, etc. do keep in mind chinese culture and traditions when it comes to desiging projects in China.

Here are some pics on projects designed by i-mad.







Compare this to Hafeez Contractor or Sanjay Puri whom are called the best of the best in India.

India needs more architects like Charles Correa, VA Group, Morphogenesis etc whom keep in mind the Indian culture. We need legends not failures. India needs SOM and I-Mad not Sanjay Puri (Architect of the year) and Contractor.

[Hindustani]

Googling for "hyderabad orr" & I came up with this from some website claiming this as "relience tower" to be build in Hyderabad. I seriously hope its only a working initial rendering if it is & not the final product.

RELIENCE 100-F TOWER RENDERING ?!?!?!? Need to be confirmed!!!





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[harsh1802]

that WOULD BE FREAKIN' AWESOME...IF REALLY IT IS!

[Babji]

Originally Posted by Hindustani

Googling for "hyderabad orr" & I came up with this from some website claiming this as "relience tower" to be build in Hyderabad...


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great find @Hindustani. looks cool and elegant.