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Old June 3rd, 2007, 05:05 PM   #21
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>>They want build railway on 200km/h (now there are few lines on 160km/h).
>>The worst railroad is between Warsaw and Nasielsk (line to Gdansk).Sometimes the speed limit is 60km/h.Next year they are going to close that line to fix it.Trains will travel between Warsaw and Gdansk by Kutno,Wloclawek,Torun and Bydgoszcz (central line north-south)(it will take 1,5h more)
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 09:02 PM   #22
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What about an east-west line to connect with German High Speed Services??
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Old July 4th, 2007, 07:15 PM   #23
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West - east line (warsaw-poznan-slubice) is made on 160km/h
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Old July 5th, 2007, 05:18 PM   #24
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guys, will there also be a high-speed connection to Ukraine since Poland and Ukraine will co-host the Euro 2012? are there any maps of planned routes? great plans, by the way!
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Old April 4th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #25
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POLAND | High Speed Rail

Exciting news:

Infrastructure Minister Cezary Grabarczyk has announced construction of a high-speed rail service in Poland.


Minister Grabarczyk told Polish Radio 3 Friday morning that the first railway would link the Polish capital Warsaw with Lodz and Poznan and would be called Project Y. He said the project implementation would take several years.

The Infrastructure Minister said that Poland should follow the example of Spain, which had a very poor rail system until it embarked on the construction of its high-speed rail. Today Spaniards enjoy 1000 kilometres of high-speed rail, the minister reminded.

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/business/?id=79498
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Old April 4th, 2008, 11:28 PM   #26
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Awesome. Any maps of prosepctive routes?
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Old April 4th, 2008, 11:41 PM   #27
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Couldn't find anything, they may not have decided on it yet. I imagine it's y-shaped given the name though.

Poland should be a good country for HSR. It has a decent-sized population and the country is completely flat, so construction should be cheap.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 03:22 PM   #28
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Don't get too excited... yet.

The project has been around for several years. In 2005 there was an initial study of the line (available here: http://www.szybkiekoleje.org.pl/page...=3&di=10&pi=13) which proposed two variants as shown on this map:


Seems like the red variant is more likely to be built. Also the study proposed to go around Łódź - only with links to this city. Now it's more likely to go right through Łódź in a cross-city tunnel, which should be built anyway for regional trains.

In a current EU budget perspective (till 2013) there are only preparations and more studies to be carried out. The construction will not start before 2013. Even if it starts in the next EU budget (2013-20) it probably won't be fully financed by public money - they are looking for public-private partnership for this project.

So don't hold your breath. It might become reality some time in the future. Eventually.

Here's a thread on polish subforum: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=153954

Edit: this map is better for general overview of the line (red) and possible connections for the future (yellow):
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Old April 5th, 2008, 08:49 PM   #29
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Seems like the red variant is more likely to be built.
Red variant is more interresting: some people want to tavel between Wroclaw and Poznan ! What about a Warsaw-Krakow line ?
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Old April 5th, 2008, 10:38 PM   #30
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Warsaw-Krakow would be necessary. I think it is also important to connect Berlin, so there can be a direct fast connection between Germany and Poland.
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E2rdEm:Thanks for the map and explanation, that's really helpful. I guess we'll see what happens, but Poland is really designed for HSR. It just makes an enormous amount of sense given the geography.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 11:46 PM   #32
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Red variant is more interresting: some people want to tavel between Wroclaw and Poznan ! What about a Warsaw-Krakow line ?
There is a line between Warsaw and Katowice which is designed for 250 km/h (it's said to be the first European line designed for such speed; needs some modernisation though) so it only needs to be extended to Cracow (there a plans to build a 200 km/h extension).
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:09 AM   #33
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Looks interesting but nothing for Cracow.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #34
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I believe there already is a high speed line between Warsaw and Krakow, called the CMK. However no high speed trains use it as yet.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 10:23 PM   #35
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Word is the French AGV could be the fav here *drool*:



Good to see them investing in proper full blown HSR and not some shitty tilt trains:

http://en.transport-expertise.org/in...oland-by-2020/

Polish Government recently announced that the country will have its first high-speed rail line by 2020. The announcement was made during a French-Polish conference about intercity and urban rail transport. Infrastructures Minister Cezary Grabarczyk declared that this first project would link the cities of Warsaw, Poznan, and Wroclaw (west of the country). A high-speed rail line between the capital city and both western cities could, in theory, cut journey times by more than half.

€8 billion project, around 500 kilometres of tracks
The proposal will be submitted to the whole Polish Government early 3Q 2008, in order to launch the feasability studies. The Infrastructures Ministry plans to finish the preliminary studies by 2010. The Government aims to begin construction by 2014 and complete it in 2019, to start operation by 2020.

The project is evaluated at €8 billion (€6 to €7 billion for construction, and €1 billion for rolling stock), and the proposed Y-shaped-corridor has a main branch from Warsaw to Lodz, and two distinct legs going to Poznan and Wroclaw, respectively at 330 kilometres and 345 kilometres from Warsaw. With 35 trainsets running on the tracks, Minister Grabarczyk expects the trips to last around 1h30 while they are presently around 5h30 and 3h00 ! Also, what the Polish Government wants, is to link the network to the European already efficient high-speed rail network.

Poland will be inviting bids for the rolling stock but Minister Grabarczyk definitely showed his preference for the new 360-kph-French Alstom AGV (entering service in Italy in 2011), even saying that “The AGV doesn’t seem to have any competition.”
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Old July 7th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #36
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Warsaw-Krakow would be necessary. I think it is also important to connect Berlin, so there can be a direct fast connection between Germany and Poland.
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Old July 8th, 2008, 08:57 AM   #37
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Old July 8th, 2008, 09:24 AM   #38
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Q: How will you stop a Polish high speed train?

A: Tell the workers to stop pushing it.

And do you know who else wanted a fast connection from Berlin to Poland?

That same guy envisioned a railway system of 3.00 metre gauge. Pretty amazing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitspurbahn
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Old July 8th, 2008, 12:31 PM   #39
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^

theres another link with better pictures of that 3m high speed rail http://www.reichsspurbahn.de/

but back to topic: I cant understand, why these polish politicians dont want any competition. The AGV doesnt have competitiors?

How about Velaro? (ICE-3, CHR-3, Velaro-Rus)
Acutally the AGV is a response to that system, as its EMU-architecture is superior to the classic TGV design.

And then thers also Bombardier and the Shinkansen-family....

But never mind...all i hope for is a fast, 250-300 kmh connection between Berlin and Warsaw, that would be great.
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I cant understand, why these polish politicians dont want any competition. The AGV doesnt have competitiors?

How about Velaro? (ICE-3, CHR-3, Velaro-Rus)
Acutally the AGV is a response to that system, as its EMU-architecture is superior to the classic TGV design.

And then thers also Bombardier and the Shinkansen-family.....
I think the statement you're quoting was made for political reasons: it was designed to tell Berlin (and, not least, Siemens) not to take Poland for granted. Don't worry... there'll be competition allright.

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But never mind...all i hope for is a fast, 250-300 kmh connection between Berlin and Warsaw, that would be great.
I don't think Germany will play ball. Poland, with its scarcity of modern railway lines, will find it politically easy (even if financially costly) to design a new system of HSLs almost as if the existing railway architecture didn't exist. But in Germany it has been notoriously difficult to conceive any new lines that in any way compromised the "well-earned rights" of 101 provincial towns. If I know those people, any upgraded connection between Berlin and Poznan will involve mostly "Ausbaustrecken" on the German side of the border, the usage of which will have to be fitted into the German "Taktverkehr" rather than give top priority to the cross-border connection - and no doubt with a slow passage through the centre of Frankfurt a.d. Oder and (yes, really!) "Pflichthalt" in this town.
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