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Old January 30th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #2601
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Hello

Does someone know how many km of motorways are actually in use in Bulgaria?

According to my calculation the figure has to be around 570 km..

And how many km are u/c ?
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Old January 31st, 2010, 12:08 AM   #2602
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Old February 1st, 2010, 07:47 PM   #2603
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Struma motorway is urgently needed to develop Bulgarian-Greek trade and touristic relations. I hope these news will be a reality soon!
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Old February 1st, 2010, 08:22 PM   #2604
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Struma motorway is urgently needed to develop Bulgarian-Greek trade and touristic relations. I hope these news will be a reality soon!
About that part/section of Struma motorway i heard it too... btw how its the condition of that road now? Is 2x2 lanes, single lane in each direction?
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Old February 1st, 2010, 10:47 PM   #2605
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Struma motorway is urgently needed to develop Bulgarian-Greek trade and touristic relations. I hope these news will be a reality soon!
It will be completed during the next programming period of the EU (2014-2020), because it goes through the Kresna gorge which is a protected area, so making a motorway with minimal impact on the environment.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #2606
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The bids for Trakia's lot 2 were opened today...

4 of the contestants were removed from the tender - Strabag(Austria), Dogus Inshaat(Turkey), Konstruktor(Croatia) and the Bulgarian consorcium of "chenro More" & Glavbolgarstroy.

The 4 remaining bids are(listed by the price offer):

TRACE Group, Stara Zagora - 70.486 mil EUR
Terna, Greece - 126.59 mil EUR
Aktor, Greece - 149.48 mil EUR
Holding "Patishta" & Alpine - 191.03 mil EUR

The winner will be announced tomorrow ... Pretty ****ed up situation and pretty ****ed up gaps between the price offers
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Old February 6th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #2607
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Sofia Ring road, the new part between Simeonovo and Dragalevci junctions.

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Old February 7th, 2010, 11:11 AM   #2608
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Why is the background different on both signs for Plovdiv - green on the first and blue on the second? And on the second picture there is onother sign down the road, again in green.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 01:00 PM   #2609
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motorway - non-motorway.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #2610
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Why is the background different on both signs for Plovdiv - green on the first and blue on the second? And on the second picture there is onother sign down the road, again in green.
Green background means "via motorway". Blue background means "via 1st class national road". No background means "via ordinary, shitty road"
At the sofia ringroad you have plovdiv in green and in blue, because a few kilometers after you can choose wheter to go to plovdiv via the trakiya motorway or the national road.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #2611
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I know it should mean motorway-non-motorway, but knowing the roads there these ones look wrong to me. They should be together if you can choose ahead if you want to go via the motorway or via normal road. Now it's confusing.
May be a better solution is to put by PLOVDIV the numer of road on background with the specific colur for the type of road. You'll have A1 in green box and 8 in blue box.

Chris how do you sign in The Netherlands when you have both normal and motorway roads for the same directions on the signs?
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Old February 7th, 2010, 09:49 PM   #2612
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Chris how do you sign in The Netherlands when you have both normal and motorway roads for the same directions on the signs?
It isn't signed. Such situations are quite rare too, as the Netherlands does not have two well-developed systems (motorways & non-motorways). It's not like in France where you can follow a decent road for 30 or more kilometers next to the motorway.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 09:59 PM   #2613
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but there is the same exit from Sofia's bypass for both motorway and non-motorway directions to Plovdiv. after 6 km of A1 there is exit Ravno Pole where road 8 separates in direction Plovdiv. i would put green signs, and at exit Ravno Pole blue sign for Plovdiv.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:35 PM   #2614
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but there is the same exit from Sofia's bypass for both motorway and non-motorway directions to Plovdiv. after 6 km of A1 there is exit Ravno Pole where road 8 separates in direction Plovdiv. i would put green signs, and at exit Ravno Pole blue sign for Plovdiv.
You're absolutely right. But the road infrastructure agency doesn't pay too much attention in those details...
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:40 PM   #2615
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You're absolutely right. But the road infrastructure agency doesn't pay too much attention in those details...
i know not only in BG
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Old February 11th, 2010, 11:31 PM   #2616
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Old February 13th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #2617
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About lot 2 of Trakia
The commishion asked the firm(Trace group) with the cheapest bid to give a detailed explanation why is the prise so cheap.Soon it will be clear if Trace group will be declared winner.The average price per kilometer is 2,2 mil.eur.(the expected price was around 3mil)
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Old February 13th, 2010, 09:56 PM   #2618
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And "Strabag" is already pleading to have been illegally removed by the commission,which may slow down the start of construction work or even stop the procedure.

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Old February 13th, 2010, 10:05 PM   #2619
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About lot 2 of Trakia
The commishion asked the firm(Trace group) with the cheapest bid to give a detailed explanation why is the prise so cheap.Soon it will be clear if Trace group will be declared winner.The average price per kilometer is 2,2 mil.eur.(the expected price was around 3mil)
Ussually that's a scheme used by companies to win the bid and then ask for a raise of the price. How much can companies ask over the agreed price in public procurement contracts in Bulgaria? Here is 50% and unless the price is a fixed one, the company may ask for a raise depending on the agreed circumstances.

Also, if the price is dubiously low, the authorities ask for clarifications and if these are not enough, they refuse the winning bid and reorganise the tender.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 12:37 AM   #2620
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Ussually that's a scheme used by companies to win the bid and then ask for a raise of the price. How much can companies ask over the agreed price in public procurement contracts in Bulgaria? Here is 50% and unless the price is a fixed one, the company may ask for a raise depending on the agreed circumstances.

Also, if the price is dubiously low, the authorities ask for clarifications and if these are not enough, they refuse the winning bid and reorganise the tender.
In Bulgaria if the offer is 30% or more than the average offer of all offers,cost explanation is required.Now the commission is looking into it.The government has stated that the contract will be "bullet proof" and no raise would be made no matter the circumstances.I hope they will manage to clinch such a deal because it's a real bargain and the quality won't suffer.

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