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Old June 17th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #3481
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a bit off topic question - does anybody know anything about a guarded parking in Svilengrad? I`ll be there in July and would like to visit Istanbul but rather don`t enter Turkey by car - we`re planning to take a bus and want to leave the car in a safe place in Bulgaria; thanks
by the way, what can you say about the route Ruse-Svilengrad and Svilengrad-MK border near Blagoevgrad?
Didn't you arrange parking with a bulgarian forumer?
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Svilengrad-Plovdiv-Pazardzhik-Velingrad-Bansko-Simitli-Blagoevgrad. Good road on most parts, but just 1+1 and quite crowded around Plovdiv and between Simitli and Blagoevgrad.
About Greece-petrol there is one of the most expensive in EU.
Actually road Septemvri-Velingard is quite picturesque but may be under rehabilitation this summer. Contract was already awarded.

Bulgaria and Macedonia have three border checkpoints. Here are the roads to them from Svilengrad(from south to north):
1)Checkpoint Novo selo(Strumica,MKD)-Zlatarevo(Petrich,BG)

1.1Svilengrad-Kardzhali-Smolyan-Dospat-Petrich-Zlatarevo-Strumica(398km)

Highly unrecommendable route. Mostly secondary 2x1 roads with curves but no traffic. On the other hand you will travel through Rodopi and Pirin mountain. These are one of the most beautiful places not only in Bulgaria but throughout all Europe.
http://maps.google.com/

1.2Svilengrad-Maritsa Motorway[A3]-I-8-Peshtera-Dospat-Petrich-Zlatarevo-Strumica(389km)

Suprisingly(to me) this route is shorter. You have a motorway and I-8 is I class road although is currently quite worn off between Harmanli and Parvomay because of truck traffic that exits A1 towards Turkey. Plovdiv-Peshtera-Dospat is 2x1, curvy and beautiful again. But distance on secondary roads is shorter.
http://maps.google.com/
I don't think that longer circumventing routes are worth considering.

2)Checkpoint Stanke Lisichkovo(Blagoevgrad,BG - Delcevo,MKD)

2.1Maritsa Motorway[A3]-I-8-Trakya Motorway[A1]-Ihtiman(look for first exit for Ihtiman, I don't remember Smolyan being signed on the motorway)-Dupnitsa-Blagoevgrad-Stanke Lisichkovo(370km)
If you really want to pass through Stanke Lisichkovo checkpoint...But ones you are Dupnitsa why not try Gyueshevo border checkpoint.
http://maps.google.com/

2.2Maritsa Motorway[A3]-Velingrad-Simitli-Blagoevgrad-Stanke Lisichkovo(363km)

More secondary roads.
http://maps.google.com/

3)Checkpoint Gyeshevo(Kystendil,BG)-Kriva palanka(MKD)(376km)

3.1Maritsa Motorway[A3]-I-8-Trakya Motorway[A1]-Ihtiman(look for first exit for Ihtiman, I don't remember Smolyan being signed on the motorway)-Dupnitsa-Kyustendil-Gyueshevo(376km)
This is my recommendation of them all. For both Skopje and Ohrid this is the best route.
http://maps.google.com/

3.2Maritsa Motorway[A3]-I-8-Trakya Motorway[A1]-Sofia-Pernik-Kyustendil-Gyueshevo(393km)

I don't recommend this route. Traveling through/around Sofia would be quite tough. You could try Lyulin motorway though
http://maps.google.com/


A good picture of Sofia south bypass(South Ring Road):

The bridge is over the urban motorway.

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Old June 19th, 2011, 06:34 AM   #3482
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All highways in Bulgaria are toll-free..
i meant the greek A2

thanky you all for information, I don`t expect any major problems with finding route, road quality etc.; the only possible problem seems to be finding a safe parking plac - maybe there`s a car park next to some hotel in Svilengrad?
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Old June 19th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #3483
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i meant the greek A2

thanky you all for information, I don`t expect any major problems with finding route, road quality etc.; the only possible problem seems to be finding a safe parking plac - maybe there`s a car park next to some hotel in Svilengrad?
I believe that you can find safe parking easier in Edirne then in Svilengrad. Not that I think that Svilengrad is not safe, but Edirne is big touristic city and it's very close to Svilengrad + cheaper transport to Istanbul.
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Old June 19th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #3484
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i meant the greek A2
It is still toll-free east of Thessaloniki.
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Old June 19th, 2011, 07:29 PM   #3485
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I believe that you can find safe parking easier in Edirne then in Svilengrad. Not that I think that Svilengrad is not safe, but Edirne is big touristic city and it's very close to Svilengrad + cheaper transport to Istanbul.
He can't take the car out of EU.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 02:54 AM   #3486
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Lyulin Motorway[A5 or A6] by Avus:
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Old June 20th, 2011, 07:40 PM   #3487
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He can't take the car out of EU.
It`s not impossible, but i thought parking in Edirne will be more unsafe than in Bulgaria;
Greek A2 is toll free east from Thessaloniki - that means it`s tolled between Thessaloniki and Ioanina, isn`t it?
nonetheless, thank you all!
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Old June 20th, 2011, 10:36 PM   #3488
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I do not think that Turkey is a country more dangerous than Bulgaria. Especially with theft issues - you have to bear in mind that in a rather conservative society a theft bears significant stigma...
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Old June 20th, 2011, 11:42 PM   #3489
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I do not think that Turkey is a country more dangerous than Bulgaria. Especially with theft issues - you have to bear in mind that in a rather conservative society a theft bears significant stigma...
Absolutely true. Consider my opinion, because last week I was four times in BG, and that every year I'm app. 5 times in Turkey
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Old June 20th, 2011, 11:48 PM   #3490
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I do not think that Turkey is a country more dangerous than Bulgaria. Especially with theft issues - you have to bear in mind that in a rather conservative society a theft bears significant stigma...
and that being said by a Bulgarian.

Altough, are you a Bulgarian at all?
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Old June 21st, 2011, 01:08 AM   #3491
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seems logical and convincing, I think I`ll try it
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Old June 21st, 2011, 09:53 AM   #3492
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and that being said by a Bulgarian.

Altough, are you a Bulgarian at all?
Dear, dear, Radi.....
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Old June 21st, 2011, 09:58 AM   #3493
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I've read one time from Dutch Turks that the O-3 between Edirne and Istanbul is notorious for thefts at rest areas.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 01:47 PM   #3494
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please tell me what route to choose:

1. Gurkovo - Nova Zagora - Road 55 - Svilengrad - Ormenio or
2. Gurkovo - Stara Zagora - Haskovo - Harmanli - Ormenio.

Thank you very much, Edi
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 02:11 PM   #3495
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please tell me what route to choose:

1. Gurkovo - Nova Zagora - Road 55 - Svilengrad - Ormenio or
2. Gurkovo - Stara Zagora - Haskovo - Harmanli - Ormenio.

Thank you very much, Edi
Road 55 was rehabilitated between Svilengrad an intersection with road 76. I don't know how the part Nova Zagora-intersection with road 76 looks like, but I think it can't be very bad.
If you choose the second route there is a good shortcut between Stara Zagora and Harmanli, through road 504 (Stara Zagora-Opan-Simeonovgrad-Harmanli).
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 06:07 PM   #3496
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please tell me what route to choose:

1. Gurkovo - Nova Zagora - Road 55 - Svilengrad - Ormenio or
2. Gurkovo - Stara Zagora - Haskovo - Harmanli - Ormenio.

Thank you very much, Edi
2. Gurkovo - Stara Zagora - Haskovo - Harmanli - Ormenio. Take Maritsa Motorway(green signs) near Harmanli.
I wish you a nice trip. And be careful because there's a lot of traffic.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 06:12 PM   #3497
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What PhirgataZFs1694 said, but use the shortcut that panda80 mentioned:

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If you choose the second route there is a good shortcut between Stara Zagora and Harmanli, through road 504 (Stara Zagora-Opan-Simeonovgrad-Harmanli).
Here's what a part of it looks like:

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Simeonovgrad - Stara Zagora (I-503), at the entrance of the village of Vassil Levski:


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Old June 23rd, 2011, 07:06 PM   #3498
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I didn't knеw villages have such good roads... some local capital roads are ten times worse lol.

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Old June 23rd, 2011, 08:13 PM   #3499
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I'd go further and even say "most". But then again, this is a road connecting towns that runs through the village and that's why it's in that condition. In many villages, the streets barely have asphalt at all.
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What Tego means is that roads in villages are quite old and sometimes in bad shape. They were asphalted more than 40-50 years ago.
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