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Old October 22nd, 2011, 02:03 PM   #3761
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Yes, but roads they make are extra superspecial shiny.
Still wrong.
The only acceptable asphalt color is: deep "absolute black".

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Old October 22nd, 2011, 04:11 PM   #3762
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You are wrong. These machines are not suitable to build roads. They are not shiny enough.
Indeet these are too big, the mashines there do not want to destroy the beautiful landscape there. The plan is to make very smooth asphalt that will be either black or purple brown, like on Slovenian motorways and add very shiny thermoplast markings
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 05:00 PM   #3763
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add very shiny thermoplast markings
Those machines are actually pretty small and I doubt that they are already there on construction site.

So you will have some new sort of thermoplast markings? Because elsewhere they are not so shiny as normal markings.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 05:06 PM   #3764
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Yes, we will use a new technologie, what do you expect? And by the way, all new thermoplast markings I know are very shiny, they reflect the headlights of a car at night a lot. Close to Novi Sad there was a lot of fog and the vision was almost none, but the thermoplast markings could be seen, so I can tell that new thermoplast markings are shiny enough to reflect the headlights when there is fog.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 05:52 PM   #3765
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How do you know they were thermoplastic markings?
Maybe they were just ordinary markings, painted new and sprayed with glass spheres.
Where does Bulgaria use thermoplastic markings?
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 06:17 PM   #3766
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On all motorways and nationalroads. You can see them on a few pics of the Struma motorway and E-79, taken by me. You see, how the markings are thick and not just sprayed over.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 06:22 PM   #3767
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...2740748big.jpg

Here it is very obvious that the Struma motorway has thermoplast markings. You see how the markings are thicker than the asphalt, also you feel them. Serbia, Hungary use also thermplast markings. Hungary even use markings that make a noise, when you drive on them.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/1010105q.jpg/

And here, this is definatly not just painted.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 06:35 PM   #3768
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On all motorways and nationalroads.
So you mean none?
Because I can't find a single picture to prove any existence of thermoplastic markings.

Even new and shiny Lyulin motorway does not have them:
[IMG]http://i52.************/6gv1ow.jpg[/IMG]
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I don't know what you mean by thermoplast markings, but the markings shown in my picture are not painted. It is not paint that you would use to paint a facade, the markings last for many years and are 1 cm thick, just look at the picture I've shown you there.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 06:49 PM   #3770
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This picture is from Lyulin motorway and shows normal, painted marking. And I can show you much more pictures from this thread, taken this year, which show similar for other motorways and national roads.

Sorry radi, but Bulgaria does not use thermoplast markings.
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You did not answer my question what you think about this marking:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/1010105q.jpg/

The markings are not painted. If they were painted, you could go there with abrassive paper and remove them, this is not painted. A painted marking with thickness off 1 cm or what? That is why the markings split, when they break and don't just fade out. I think you have no clue what you are takling about.

Cause a painted marking can#t split, it would just break, look here for yourself:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/1010079.jpg/

This is on the struma motorway and the marking splitted and broke, it did not just get thinner, as it is usual with painted markings. Just tell me, how would a painted marking split? If you can explain me this, then I woudl accept that they are not thermoplastic, however no thermoplastic markings would hardly break away instead of get thinner.
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Above is painted marking. It's a bit thicker than on village roads, but it is still just paint. And yes even those can broke off.

Thermoplast markings are those (they have separations to prevent damage from elements):
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Ok, I accept it, but then most european markings, including Hungary are painted, hwoever it does not matter whether they are painted or thermoplast, since the markings on bulgarian motorways are as thick as thermoplast markings
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 07:27 PM   #3774
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Most European markings are normal, not thermoplast, true.
For example in Slovenia they are used only on motorways and expressways, built or renovated in last few years. The same is valid for Croatia and Austria (not everywhere). All three also use some sort of "saving" type, that is sprayed markings like drops (which I find they behave better during years of wear).
Italy uses normal markings only.
And don't exaggerate thickness of Struma markings, they are as thick as elsewhere otherwise you wouldn't see underlying structure of asphalt.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 08:45 PM   #3775
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Ok, I accept it, but then most european markings, including Hungary are painted, hwoever it does not matter whether they are painted or thermoplast, since the markings on bulgarian motorways are as thick as thermoplast markings
Radi, calm down. None of our motorways, nor first, second or any class roads in Bulgaria have thermoplast markings. They aren't thicker than the normal paint ones, just because the markings in Bulgaria are made of traditional white paint. Period. They don't make any kind of noise, nor vibrations, nor shine more than the markings on the slovenian motorways. So just wake up, and stop dreaming.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 08:59 PM   #3776
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For example in Slovenia they are used only on motorways and expressways, built or renovated in last few years. The same is valid for Croatia and Austria (not everywhere). All three also use some sort of "saving" type, that is sprayed markings like drops (which I find they behave better during years of wear).
Italy uses normal markings only.
here are the "drops"
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Radi, calm down. None of our motorways, nor first, second or any class roads in Bulgaria have thermoplast markings. They aren't thicker than the normal paint ones, just because the markings in Bulgaria are made of traditional white paint. Period. They don't make any kind of noise, nor vibrations, nor shine more than the markings on the slovenian motorways. So just wake up, and stop dreaming.
I was always making jokes here, if you can not realize it. And besides that, the Bulgarian roads are indeet very high quality and can surely compete with any Slovenian or Croatian road, when looking at the asphalt and ofcourse also markings. I have talked about the raods I mean often. Bulgarian motorways and raods can compete with Hungarian motorways aswell (the best ones at least) and Hungary has the smoothest motorways I have seen in europe.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 09:05 PM   #3778
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I was always making jokes here, if you can not realize it. And besides that, the Bulgarian roads are indeet very high quality and can surely compete with any Slovenian or Croatian road, when looking at the asphalt and ofcourse also markings. I have talked about the raods I mean often. Bulgarian motorways and raods can compete with Hungarian motorways aswell (the best ones at least) and Hungary has the smoothest motorways I have seen in europe.
I disagree. Slovenia, Croatia and Hungary are playing in the major league and Bulgaria (with Romania) are playing only in the junior league when we are talking about roads (all kind of them)...
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I don#t know about Romania, but all nationalraods built in Bulgaria since 2000 still don't have holes or other issues and the tarmac looks great while the traffic there isn't little. And the Struma motorway has prooved great, when looking at the heavy winters there. The raods build in the towns and regular roads are not very good in Bulgaria indeet.
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I don#t know about Romania, but all nationalraods built in Bulgaria since 2000 still don't have holes or other issues and the tarmac looks great while the traffic there isn't little. And the Struma motorway has prooved great, when looking at the heavy winters there. The raods build in the towns and regular roads are not very good in Bulgaria indeet.
I see what you did there... Well, I hope you're still joking. You have a bit strange sense of humor.
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