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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:43 AM   #361
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That section Plovdiv-Asenovgrad is on the Maritsa motorway?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:50 AM   #362
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What do you mean, don´t you know construction on marica motorway is going on?
if it is so - great then! is Marica this section from Turkey in Plovdiv direction?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:56 AM   #363
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if it is so - great then! is Marica this section from Turkey in Plovdiv direction?
Plovdiv turkish border is marica motorway and they are working on it. But Sofia greece connection is one of the most important roads in Bulgaria, too, there´s lot of heavy tracktraffic there and the traffic will increase there in the future also.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:59 AM   #364
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yeah, but anyway, i cannot wait when Sofia - Serbia (and serbian part too) will be built to finally conect Istanbul with rest of Europe with full motorway!

i agree that Struma is important as alternative way for Greece - Belgrade - Europe direction, and it could easily grow to main direction and put way threw Macedonia into alternative position, but it won't be easy
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Old September 8th, 2007, 03:01 AM   #365
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yeah, but anyway, i cannot wait when Sofia - Serbia (and serbian part too) will be built to finally conect Istanbul with rest of Europe with full motorway!

i agree that Struma is important as alternative way for Greece - Belgrade - Europe direction, and it could easily grow to main direction and put way threw Macedonia into alternative position, but it won't be easy
It probably will take a decate
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Old September 8th, 2007, 03:07 AM   #366
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@ x-type

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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:16 AM   #367
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i'm just being realistic. if Macedonia don't improve it's section, the situation that i've described could very easily happen. Tabanovce - Skopje is in really bad condition, and it is not the only bad section.
but Macedonia can renovate it's section and then Bulgaria can build 5x5 motorway, but it won't help them to take larger amount of traffic from Macedonia. we'll see what's gonna happen. anyway, without Sofija - Serbia motorway i think Struma motorway is not possible to be concurent to direction threw Macedonia
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #368
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i'm just being realistic. if Macedonia don't improve it's section, the situation that i've described could very easily happen. Tabanovce - Skopje is in really bad condition, and it is not the only bad section.
but Macedonia can renovate it's section and then Bulgaria can build 5x5 motorway, but it won't help them to take larger amount of traffic from Macedonia. we'll see what's gonna happen. anyway, without Sofija - Serbia motorway i think Struma motorway is not possible to be concurent to direction threw Macedonia
Sofia Serbia motorway wont be finished soon but there will be a fourlamed road which in one or two months will be renovated towards Sofia, the Sofia ringroad will be reconstructed fourlamed like a motorway without shoulders til November this year, that will be quite ok man.



Not ok enough til motorway will be finished?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:14 PM   #369
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Not ok enough til motorway will be finished?
it's not about quality of the road (which is also not perfect as mauch as i saw at Google Earth), but about fastness and safeness of traveling
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:21 PM   #370
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x-type, the quality of the road is good, they are reconsructing it and it has very good quality. You don´t feel any bumps, i don´t liek that you are always negative towards anything not Croatian.

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Old September 8th, 2007, 03:03 PM   #371
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i criticise our motorways too when neccessary. problem is that you see only my bad comments, not good, and there are my good comments, too

btw, i'm really glad that road will be renovated, but you must agree too that motorway would be great there
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Old September 8th, 2007, 03:07 PM   #372
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i criticise our motorways too when neccessary. problem is that you see only my bad comments, not good, and there are my good comments, too

btw, i'm really glad that road will be renovated, but you must agree too that motorway would be great there
Ofcourse it would, i want there also motorway, would be completely new feeling to drive there on motroway instead on shit 4 lame road but they still didn´t start building motorway.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 03:53 PM   #373
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i'm just being realistic. if Macedonia don't improve it's section, the situation that i've described could very easily happen. Tabanovce - Skopje is in really bad condition, and it is not the only bad section.
but Macedonia can renovate it's section and then Bulgaria can build 5x5 motorway, but it won't help them to take larger amount of traffic from Macedonia. we'll see what's gonna happen. anyway, without Sofija - Serbia motorway i think Struma motorway is not possible to be concurent to direction threw Macedonia

Right on the spot. But you're not well informed about the situation in Macedonia. First of all the only bad Section is Kumanovo-Veles, but that is bein taken care of as we speak. A very profound reconstruction project is underway. Second - funds for the two missing sections of Corridor X in Macedonia have been obtained and the preparatory works are already under way:
- 8km stretch north of Kumanovo
- 27km stretch D.Kapija-Smokvica (an expensive one)
The first will perhaps be finished by the end of the year and the second early 2011.
With the reconstruction of the problematic section and finishing these missing sections, Corridor X in Macedonia will be in great shape.


As for Corridor IV (the one going to Salonica through Romania and Bulgaria), the only part that makes sense is the Sofia-Salonica section. The rest is a political stunt (at least in the Balkans). Back in the problematic times, it was pushed as an alternative route to Corridor X because of Serbia. Europe needed a secure alternative route to the all important X (the crucial link to Greece and Turkey and beyond). But today, the Lugoj-Sofia part of Corridor IV doesn't make any sense at all.

Corridor X is by far the most robust and most important of all the Pan-European corridors in the region.

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Old September 8th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #374
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come on shut up you patriot, Bulgaria is unimportant when when people want to go to greece, eh?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 04:40 PM   #375
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come on shut up you patriot, Bulgaria is unimportant when when people want to go to greece, eh?
huh?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #376
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come on shut up you patriot, Bulgaria is unimportant when when people want to go to greece, eh?
Unless you come from Romania or Ukraine, via Macedonia is much shorter and faster.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 05:21 PM   #377
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Unless you come from Romania or Ukraine, via Macedonia is much shorter and faster.

Even from that direction, Corridor IV doesn't make any sense. People would use Corridor IX and then get on Hemus to reach Sofia and finally get on Struma (the part of corridor IV whose importance I did not question)

I don't get why radi is getting so upset, I wasn't downplaying the importance of Bulgaria at all. After all Corridor X has a crucial branch going through Bulgaria and I also didn't question the role of his beloved Struma. Perhaps he misread something in my post.

Radi, all I said is that the section Lugoj(RO) - Sofia(BG) is not feasible at all. A political link from different times. Even in those pressing times not a single kilometer was built. What do you think the future holds? I personally think it will at best stay only on paper, or maybe even get erased altogether.
If you think that you will see international tourists using Corridor IV to reach Greece, you're most definitely dreaming. Just look at the map buddy:

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Old September 8th, 2007, 09:52 PM   #378
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If you think that you will see international tourists using Corridor IV to reach Greece, you're most definitely dreaming. Just look at the map buddy:
I hope, at least every 2nd tourist will stop here for a drink
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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:22 PM   #379
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IMO most important should be to connect states of european union with motorway first, so Romania and greece, and not Serbia and Turkey which are both not european union states.
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IMO most important should be to connect states of european union with motorway first, so Romania and greece, and not Serbia and Turkey which are both not european union states.
The reasoning behind your priorities what to connect is about as sound as the reasoning behind the need for shiny barriers.

The need is where the traffic and potential for growth is. Purely symbolic connections are just a waste of money.

And again I don't understand why you fail to take notice of Corridor IX which is the obvious connection with Romania (combined with Hemus), and that nobody is disputing the importance of Struma (but it is mostly important to Bulgaria, not others).

But still the absolute priority should be building of a full freeway between Serbia and Turkey. That is not only the most important link for whole Europe, but for Bulgaria too. How can you dismiss the importance of this corridor??? It is sooooo obvious...
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