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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:53 PM   #4001
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We ARE interrested in STRUMA and all bulgarian motorways, as all other european developments of motor/expressways as well.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:08 AM   #4002
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Read the Romanian highway forum and it will tell you more about whats happening via the new bridge.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 03:39 AM   #4003
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Yes, Danube bridge 2 Vidin-Calafat is going to be 2+2 and a single railway in the middle. It is going hopefully to be connected with an expressway 2+2 south to Botevgrad with A2.
Completion deadline fo the bridge is end of 2012. The expressway itself is going to be built in next period 2014-2020, except the very near part - the Vidin bypass (seen on pictures here), and also some existing parts between the towns of Mezdraa and Vratsa. No news for serious plans of expressway or motorway on the Romanian side for now.
Thank you Chilio. I checked http://www.danubebridge2.com There is a lots of useful informations including maps. I can see now where is this bridge situated. It is actually a bit outside of Vidin away from existing ferry pier. Expressway would be a good thing of course but on the other hand I don't see how and with what would be connected on the Romanian side. It doesn't look like this is most important transportation corridor in the region. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 09:14 AM   #4004
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The motorway has no tracklines from trucks, it is all the same, tracks could not deepen the right lane of the motorway at all, while on other motorways they appear after two years of use.
what other highways have tracklines after 2 years of use? Examples?
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Old December 7th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #4005
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Read the Romanian highway forum and it will tell you more about whats happening via the new bridge.
Bypasses of some of the towns on the road north, i.e. of Drogbeta Turnu Severin, Caransebes etc. But the road form Calafat to Lugoj (which are more than 250 km), although in quite better condition than few years ago, will remain 1+1 for a long time... It's good that from Lugoj via Timisoara and Arad to the Hungarian Border there will be a new motorway soon enough, but the very near connections to the bridge unfortunately aren't priority to the Romanian government. I hope things will change in the near future.
Bulgarian official plans for expressway in the next financial period after 2014 aren't soon enough for me too. It means that after opening of the bridge maybe for 4 or 5 years on the Bulgarian side also some 150-160 km will be 1+1 before opening of the expressway.

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Old December 7th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #4006
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Bypasses of some of the towns on the road north, i.e. of Drogbeta Turnu Severin, Caransebes etc. But the road form Calafat to Lugoj, although in quite better condition than few years ago, will remain 1+1 for a long time... It's good that from Lugoj via Timisoara and Arad to the Hungarian Border there will be a new motorway soon enough, but the very near connections to the bridge unfortunately aren't priority to the Romanian government. I hope things will change in the near future.
The official plans, sactioned by the EU as well by the adoption of the CIV south corridor, is to build a motorway from Calafat to Lugoj. That is possible to come under EU funding during 2014-2020 but it will come in competition with CIX (Ploiesti-Albita/Moldovan border), also under EU finance from 2014. It'll be interesting to see what the Gov will choose as a priority, or whether the Gov will leave out one of the 2 routes. One possible answer is that the Gov annocuned the start of construction works of Bacau motorway by-pass next year, also part of (extended) CIX. But we'll see. Nothing is finally decided as yet.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #4007
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Maybe some plans of upgrading the road Calafat-Craiova-Bucurest will also be usefull, as a it will attract some of the traffic in northern direction. A lot of Romanian, Ukrainian and Polish heavy truck travel on E79 on it's southern part, coming from the Thessaloniki port, and now they go diagonally through Bulgaria to Danube bridge 1, but maybe will travel all along the E79 on the Bulgarian soil to Vidin after opening of the Danube bridge 2.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #4008
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The road between Calafat and Craiova is being currently modernised having in mind the completion of the bridge. As for Craiova-Bucharest, there are also major by-passes works for Craiova and cities all the way to Bucharest, but no road expansion to express. There is a plan for a motorway on this route (Craiova-Bucharest), but there is currently no money for that.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #4009
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Some very good news about Bulgarian legislation today. Some project for changes in the Road law were announced. Finally they defined what an expressway would be (скоростни пътища) - road with center-divide, at least 2 lanes in each direction, only multy-level intersections (no roundabouts!), protective fences on both sides etc. Expressways will probably have the speed-limit at 120 km/h. They are also planning to update the speed limit at motorways to 140 km/h.
Other good news are changes in the road law concerning advertisement billboards - they will not be allowed anymore in the fenced area of the motorways, and the existing ones will be surrounded by chrash-barriers and other safety measures until contracts expire and then will be dismantled. On other roads billboard will no longer be placed nearer than at least 8 meters from the edge of the pavement.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #4010
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That is interesting. Do you have a source for that? I can't find it on news.ibox.bg
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #4011
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It's actually a bit more official than some news sites

News:
http://www.mrrb.government.bg/index....o=news&id=3168

Project for the changes in the road-law:
http://www.mrrb.government.bg/index....&type=8&id=476

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„(8) Скоростните пътища са национални обекти. Те са специално изградени и означени пътища за движение само на моторни превозни средства и притежават следните характеристики:
1. имат самостоятелни платна за движение във всяка посока с разделителна ивица между тях, като всяко платно е с с най - малко две ленти за движение;
2. пресичането с други пътища, улици, железопътни и трамвайни линии е само на различни нива;
3. вливането и отливането на движението се осъществява само от пътни възли на различни нива;
4. връзките към прилежащи територии са чрез локално платно, отделено от директно трасе с разделителна ивица с ширина не по – малко от два метра;
5. имат предпазна телена ограда;
6. имат площадки за принудително спиране;
7. имат площадки за отдих.
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„(3) За автомагистрали и скоростни пътища се забранява специалното ползване на пътищата чрез изграждане на рекламни съоръжения в обхвата на пътя и в обслужващата зона.”
„(4) За пътищата от първи и втори клас, които не попадат в приложното поле на ал.3, както и за пътищата от трети клас се забранява изграждането и експлоатацията на рекламни съоръжения в обхвата на пътя или в обслужващата зона на разстояние по-малко от 8 м., измерено хоризонтално от края /ръба/ на пътната настилка до целия габарит на рекламното съоръжение.”
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§ 7. В Закона за движението по пътищата (...) се правят следните изменения и допълнения:
1. В таблицата на чл. 21:
а) създава се нова колона с наименования „Скоростен път” и показатели по отношение на допустимата стойност, както следва:
Категория А 90
Категория В 120
Категории С, D 90
Категории В+Е, С+Е, D+Е 90
Категории Т -
Категория М -
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б). в колона „Автомагистрали”, на ред 2 числото „130” се заменя със „140”.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #4012
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Thanks!

Do you know when the 140 km/h limit takes effect? Maybe even January 1st?
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #4013
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This is still a project for changes in the law. It has to be voted by parliament to become a real law.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 12:19 AM   #4014
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These are really god news indeed! An expressway(скоростен път/speedway) in Bulgaria will be just a motorway without shouders and probable 3,50 m wide lanes instead of 3,75 m for motorways! Everything else will be the same!
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Old December 12th, 2011, 04:14 AM   #4015
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An expressway(скоростен път/speedway) in Bulgaria will be just a motorway without shouders and probable 3,50 m wide lanes instead of 3,75 m for motorways! Everything else will be the same!
With a speed limit of 120 km/h, shoulders are needed -- even if only 2.0 meters wide.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 04:34 AM   #4016
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Here's some nice texture of the Struma motorway...


Those are some of the longest, deepest, most strumatic potholes I've ever seen. Every motorway should have such strumatic potholes! I would trade shiny crash barriers for such strumatic potholes any day!
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Old December 12th, 2011, 09:01 AM   #4017
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With a speed limit of 120 km/h, shoulders are needed -- even if only 2.0 meters wide.
Some other countries, for example France, have their expressways with speed limit at 110 km/h with absolutely no shoulder... Germany also has (or at least recenty had) some autobahn stretches without hard shoulders. So I dont't see such a big difference.

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Old December 12th, 2011, 10:15 AM   #4018
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Some other countries, for example France, have their expressways with speed limit at 110 km/h with absolutely no shoulder... Germany also has (or at least recenty had) some autobahn stretches without hard shoulders. So I don't see such a big difference.
If there is no shoulder, some idiots who break down will stop their vehicles in the traffic lane. The faster the traffic, the more dangerous that problem is.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 12:42 PM   #4019
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These are really god news indeed! An expressway(скоростен път/speedway) in Bulgaria will be just a motorway without shouders and probable 3,50 m wide lanes instead of 3,75 m for motorways! Everything else will be the same!
So maybe something like Hungarian expressways:
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M85, Enese bypass, almost ready:
3,5m wide lanes, soft shoulder, grade separated
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Old December 12th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #4020
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More likely without the soft shoulder, like for example Bulgarian national road 5 (E85) between Stara Zagora and Kazanlak:


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But in fact, it has something like a soft shoulder where it is not on bridges:

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But of course it will need some upgrade to become an expressway to the definition of the new law. New safer type of crash-barriers and fences for example.

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