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Old September 24th, 2007, 03:28 PM   #441
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And if something is partly financed by EU funds it is visible 20 km away because of gigantic signs which tell that it“s partly financed by EU, EVEN IN DIFFERENT LANGUACES, this makes foreigners think Bulgaria has no money and everything is financed by EU, what a bullshit, they should not do this. GIVE IMEDIATELLY MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION OF MOTORWAYS YOU EU WHROESONS!!!
Why don't you tell the Bulgarian government to properly plan, document and cost projects like all the other countries have to before we get given any money?

If Bulgaria has only spent 10% of its allocated funds because of incompetence in the Sofia government you cannot blame the EU.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 03:33 PM   #442
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Why don't you tell the Bulgarian government to properly plan, document and cost projects like all the other countries have to before we get given any money?

If Bulgaria has only spent 10% of its allocated funds because of incompetence in the Sofia government you cannot blame the EU.
Well said, joining the EU is not like going to your granny's house and ask her for some money. If the Bulgarian goverment plans and documents its projects properly, I'm sure cash will flow.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 03:35 PM   #443
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Estonia had the same problem at the beginning: They couldn't make properly documented projects so they didn't get the money. But now you can even get EU money for building a golf course if you can explain, why it's necessary.

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Old September 24th, 2007, 03:36 PM   #444
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It's not only taking from the EU, it's also giving.
Good information for instance on how the money is to be spent, and is spent.
Plus your own plans have to be sound - and you have to put your own taxmoney in it as well. I don't think that's too much asked.
Seen from the perspective of a country with one of the highest yearly amounts of netto-contributions being paid per citizen...
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:54 PM   #445
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Estonia had the same problem at the beginning: They couldn't make properly documented projects so they didn't get the money. But now you can even get EU money for building a gold course if you can explain, why it's necessary.
Whats a ''gold course''? Sounds like something the EU would pay for
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Old September 24th, 2007, 06:09 PM   #446
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gold course is a golf course (when you hit the wrong key)
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Old September 24th, 2007, 06:46 PM   #447
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eco la EU! i guess now you understand why here in Croatia we are against entering to EU - because SE European countries would always be the last shit in it! you thought that milk and honey wait you there? you thought that you'll be equal to old members? somebody told you really optimistic stories...
Partly you are correct, but from my perspective it was still a good thing for my country - Romania - to join the EU. Why? Because we can now go to Hungary every month and buy new stuff - food, clothes, etc. (Fortunately we live 20 km away from the border). We only get to wait 5 minutes or less at the border. Before we had to pay a 50 EUR or so insurance ("green card") for 2 weeks every time before going, otherwise they would not let us pass.

Another reason is I can now buy some good Dutch and Italian cheese from the local supermarket in my town and more quality foods - something that wouldn't have been possible a year ago. I remember I couldn't even find a good chocolate to eat, all of them were that bad!

There aren't as many quality products as in Hungary at the moment, but things will definitely improve a lot faster.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:01 PM   #448
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Partly you are correct, but from my perspective it was still a good thing for my country - Romania - to join the EU. Why? Because we can now go to Hungary every month and buy new stuff - food, clothes, etc. (Fortunately we live 20 km away from the border). We only get to wait 5 minutes or less at the border. Before we had to pay a 50 EUR or so insurance ("green card") for 2 weeks every time before going, otherwise they would not let us pass.

Another reason is I can now buy some good Dutch and Italian cheese from the local supermarket in my town and more quality foods - something that wouldn't have been possible a year ago. I remember I couldn't even find a good chocolate to eat, all of them were that bad!

There aren't as many quality products as in Hungary at the moment, but things will definitely improve a lot faster.
We have it all without EU.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:10 PM   #449
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We have it all without EU.
Yes, I noticed during my trip 2 years ago that even though we are in EU, you guys are waaaaay ahead of us... And we didn't even fight a war...
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:18 PM   #450
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Partly you are correct, but from my perspective it was still a good thing for my country - Romania - to join the EU. Why? Because we can now go to Hungary every month and buy new stuff - food, clothes, etc. (Fortunately we live 20 km away from the border). We only get to wait 5 minutes or less at the border. Before we had to pay a 50 EUR or so insurance ("green card") for 2 weeks every time before going, otherwise they would not let us pass.

Another reason is I can now buy some good Dutch and Italian cheese from the local supermarket in my town and more quality foods - something that wouldn't have been possible a year ago. I remember I couldn't even find a good chocolate to eat, all of them were that bad!

There aren't as many quality products as in Hungary at the moment, but things will definitely improve a lot faster.
And appart from the advantages the average citizen will see, and the huge inversion in infrastructure, it is important to remember how the EU benefits the commercial relations between the different members, increasing the economic activity and expanding the markets of the countries.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 11:52 PM   #451
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Partly you are correct, but from my perspective it was still a good thing for my country - Romania - to join the EU. Why? Because we can now go to Hungary every month and buy new stuff - food, clothes, etc. (Fortunately we live 20 km away from the border). We only get to wait 5 minutes or less at the border. Before we had to pay a 50 EUR or so insurance ("green card") for 2 weeks every time before going, otherwise they would not let us pass.

Another reason is I can now buy some good Dutch and Italian cheese from the local supermarket in my town and more quality foods - something that wouldn't have been possible a year ago. I remember I couldn't even find a good chocolate to eat, all of them were that bad!

There aren't as many quality products as in Hungary at the moment, but things will definitely improve a lot faster.
i understand you. but we have totaly opposite situation. we never had problems for passing the borders. and about grosseries - foreign products here in Croatia are really not prized because here comes only trash from EU and our products are much more quality and more expensive. but we prefer our more expensive products. if something good comes from EU, it's also expensive.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 12:11 AM   #452
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I hope that radi is a small minority in Bulgaria which doesn't get heard. Otherwise Bulgaria could get a reputation in the EU-public of being a greedy parasite, with the public wishing of Bulgaria throwing out of the EU.
Radi has for sure not understood the motives behind the EU, which is much more then just building up poor member-countries and is rooted in the experience of WWII. Blame your politicians who were surely extensively informed about the EU rules prior to joining but obviously ignore them.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 12:13 AM   #453
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Sounds like it's the fault of the local politicians and not the EU. It's not like your country's prime minister can just say "gimme €10 billion" and Brussels will happily oblige.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #454
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Radi,here's a good looking motorway for you:
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Old September 25th, 2007, 07:10 PM   #455
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Are you saying BG built the gloriousness that is Struma all by itself? That can't be.. Make a post in the budget next year for shiny crash barriers and I'm sure you'll see the euros flooding in.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #456
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Are you saying BG built the gloriousness that is Struma all by itself? That can't be.. Make a post in the budget next year for shiny crash barriers and I'm sure you'll see the euros flooding in.
Yes, it was build by the country
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Old September 25th, 2007, 08:09 PM   #457
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Radi,here's a good looking motorway for you:
It“s awesome, ti really reminds me of the Struma motorway.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 08:52 PM   #458
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An article from the website of the top Romanian news television:

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Un grup format din opt turşiti romāni, care se īndreptau spre Turcia, au fost atacaţi aseară īn timp ce traversau Bulgaria, la 30 de kilometri Stara Zagora.

Romānii au povestit că agresorii erau deghizaţi īn poliţişti şi aveau cagule pe faţă, la fel ca cei de la forţele speciale. Atacatorii i-au ameninţat cu arme Kalaşnikov, le-au pus cătuşe, i-au lovit, le-au furat actele, telefoanele mobile şi banii şi au dat foc microbuzului cu care se deplasau.

Turiştii spun că poliţia bulgară a intervenit tārziu şi că nu cred că există şanse ca tālharii să fie prinşi.

Romānii susţin că au mers la procuratură şi că au luat legătura cu reprezentanţii consulatului şi că aceştia ar fi īn drum spre Stara Zagora.
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"A group of 8 Romanian tourists, heading towards Turkey, were attacked last night while crossing Bulgaria, 30 km away from Stara Zagora.

The Romanians said that the aggresors were disguised as cops and had (ninja) masks on their face, just like those from the special forces. The attackers threatened them with AK-47 guns, handcuffed them, beat them, stole their documents, mobile phones and money and set ablaze the mini-bus in which the tourists were traveling.

The tourists say that the Bulgarian police intervened late and they don't believe there are any chances the attackers will be caught.

The Romanians claim they went to the district attorney's office and they contacted the representatives of the Romanian consulate which are on their way to Stara Zagora."
This is simply shocking! Romania might be far away from countries like Poland, Hungary, etc. in terms of development, but I feel safe here and the Police - even though easily bribable - would never demand any bribes like Bulgarian Police and would work for the people by at least trying to act as quickly as possible and bring such bandits to justice!

I never heard of anything similar happening in my country, this is reminiscent of lawless 3rd world countries ruled by the local mafia, not EU members!

But you know what the saddest thing is? That it's the regular Bulgarians (I know several and have a great appreciation for them - including Radi of course who is the life of this forum - they're great people ) who suffer because of the negative publicity their country gets from things like these!
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Radi for Bulgarian Transportation Minister!!! You have my full support!

We want shiny crashbarriers and neon-like markings all the the way from Vidin to Kulata

And no ******* corrupt cops on it!

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Old September 25th, 2007, 09:23 PM   #460
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Radi for Bulgarian Transportation Minister!!! You have my full support!

We want shiny crashbarriers and neon-like markings all the the way from Vidin to Kulata

And no ******* corrupt cops on it!
i would do it with pleasure, I would choose the crasbarriers and asphalt myself. If I now would become transportation Minister I would make all money flow to the Struma motorway first and the other motorways jsut build when there“s enough money.
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