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Old June 29th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #5521
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Where exactly are these depressed areas after Pernik? I've travelled about a week ago on A3 Struma and I did't notice anything.

However, it's been reported by Galin that some streches of A3 b/n Dolna Dikania I/C and Dupnitsta-north I/C, are being repaved:


That's why this segment is not in service now.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #5522
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Where exactly are these depressed areas after Pernik? I've travelled about a week ago on A3 Struma and I did't notice anything.

However, it's been reported by Galin that some streches of A3 b/n Dolna Dikania I/C and Dupnitsta-nort hI/C, are been repaved:...
This Galin.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #5523
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Is there any official site which lists the tolls for the New Europe Bridge (a.k.a. Vidin - Calafat Bridge)?
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Old June 29th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #5524
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Is there any official site which lists the tolls for the New Europe Bridge (a.k.a. Vidin - Calafat Bridge)?
http://dv.parliament.bg/DVWeb/showMa...sp?idMat=76756

That is the "official" site, actually the most official of all. I dont think there is an official site designated only to the bridge.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 09:24 PM   #5525
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Thanks, I was looking for something like that.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #5526
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http://dv.parliament.bg/DVWeb/showMa...sp?idMat=76756

That is the "official" site, actually the most official of all. I dont think there is an official site designated only to the bridge.
I've put that in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Europe_Bridge
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Old June 29th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #5527
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Yet, lets try to be real, new motorways there are fair and overall nice, but certainly not the latest fashion or the most advanced, even speaking for the Balkans. I.e. "Dalmatina" is still a sci-fi motorway to these.
We like build motorways without going bankrupt
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Old June 29th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #5528
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Is there any official site which lists the tolls for the New Europe Bridge (a.k.a. Vidin - Calafat Bridge)?
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http://dv.parliament.bg/DVWeb/showMa...sp?idMat=76756

That is the "official" site, actually the most official of all. I dont think there is an official site designated only to the bridge.
I think it's U/C(the site).
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Old June 30th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #5529
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When it says cyclist, do they mean the motorcyclist or the plain cyclists?
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Old June 30th, 2013, 01:31 PM   #5530
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a person who rides a bicycle.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...nglish/cyclist

But it's strange that there's no different toll for motocyclists. I guess that they have to pay 6 euro.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #5531
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I don't see why motorcyclists should pay less anyway. They don't cause more or less wear and tear than a car. The majority of the construction and pavement cost is to bear the weight of trucks, not cars or motorcyclists.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #5532
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What about prices in Lei?
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Old June 30th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #5533
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If you have official source, I'll put the tolls in Lei in the table
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Old June 30th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #5534
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If you have official source, I'll put the tolls in Lei in the table
Not really, I was just curious about it, as maybe I will traverse the bridge this summer.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #5535
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I don't see why motorcyclists should pay less anyway. They don't cause more or less wear and tear than a car. The majority of the construction and pavement cost is to bear the weight of trucks, not cars or motorcyclists.
average motorbike weights 5 times less than a car, and obviously has two wheels, not four. where's logic to charge it equal?

in Bulgaria, motorbikes are even excluded from paying vignettes. In many countries, tolls are 50% cheaper for motorbikes.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 08:02 PM   #5536
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Not really, I was just curious about it, as maybe I will traverse the bridge this summer.
np, i've put that question in the Romanian section.

Have a nice journey and... please feel free to share your impressions and photos.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #5537
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average motorbike weights 5 times less than a car, and obviously has two wheels, not four. where's logic to charge it equal?

in Bulgaria, motorbikes are even excluded from paying vignettes. In many countries, tolls are 50% cheaper for motorbikes.
Cars do not substantially damage pavement, neither do motorcycles. (1 heavy truck generates the same damage to the pavement as 100,000 cars). However they both use it in the same way (in fact motorcycles actually use more road space in dense traffic because of their "safety zone" around them). Lower tolls for motorcycles have no logic, it's just an acquired right people (motorcyclists) got accustomed to in many areas. Just like hotels or public services often charge less for children or seniors, while they incur the same costs to the operator as a regular adult.

Toll road operators often abuse this, to charge motorists who tow a trailer more tolls. Technically it makes no notable difference in operational costs whether it's a motorcycle, car or car+trailer using the road. The real difference is axle load, especially over 2 tonnes per axle.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #5538
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average motorbike weights 5 times less than a car, and obviously has two wheels, not four. where's logic to charge it equal?

in Bulgaria, motorbikes are even excluded from paying vignettes. In many countries, tolls are 50% cheaper for motorbikes.
Also the weight that someone can have on his bike, except from the rider/passenger, is waaaay less than the weight a car can have.
So less wear for the road.
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That makes pretty much no difference. Major roads, such as toll roads, are typically designed for an axle load of 11.5 tonnes. Whether the axle load of a motorcycle is 100 kg or 600 kg for a passenger car (or car+trailer) is irrelevant in terms of wear and tear.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 10:17 PM   #5540
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Oh, I thought that there aren't tolls in Bulgarian motorways. It is the only tolled infraestructure in Bulgaria or there are more tolls?
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