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Old January 9th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #5861
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Do you think the chinese loan for the HPP around Turnu Magurele would be included in the FS?

BTW, if I were RO government, I would wait for us to build a motorway from Ruse to Turkey and be connected to Sofia via A2(which will be ready sooner) and only after that optimize the Bucharest-Sofia route with a bridge/damn wall near Corabia and Tarnu Magurele.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #5862
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Are there plans to replace the bridge at Ruse? It is old, likely structurally deficient and a good opportunity to build a 2x2 motorway bridge.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #5863
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Are there plans to replace the bridge at Ruse? It is old, likely structurally deficient and a good opportunity to build a 2x2 motorway bridge.
Yes, there were plans to replace it or to build a new one west from Ruse.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:44 AM   #5864
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Actually that bridge is not that old (built in 1954) and as far as I know the main structure is in a good condition. So an another 2 lane bridge will be added there!
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:58 AM   #5865
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Yes, I would also say that is the location for the next bridge. The traffic warrants that location. It's by far the busiest section accross the Danube.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:06 AM   #5866
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Are there plans to replace the bridge at Ruse? It is old, likely structurally deficient and a good opportunity to build a 2x2 motorway bridge.
There are plans, but only in political talks on TV and when government changes, plans get changed, too.
I have not heard this project to be on top of a priority list and I have not heard anything serious about the source of money for it.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:43 AM   #5867
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It's pity that Bulgaria and Romania are neglecting the connecting infrastructure b/n them. Trade and tourism are constantly rising, but a motorway is still not even planned b/n Sofia and Bucharest.

Here's a chart of the Bulgarian export to Greece and Romania for comparison.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:04 AM   #5868
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We do have a very good 2+2 road between Bucharest and Ruse, which is a decent link for the moment. Romania's top priority is linking itself to the west by motorway, Bulgaria will follow after that. The so called master-plan presented a few months ago stated that a Calafat-Craiova motorway would be among the first motorways to be built in the new financing period. So we do have some (far-fetched) plans .

As for the new bridge, personally I expect it to be near Calarasi-Ostrov/Silistra , as it was the most talked-about in the media recently. The next possible candidate would be a new bridge at Ruse, but it's premature, in my opinion. There still isn't anything to link it to. As for a Turnu Magurele-Nikopol bridge, I don't think it's likely, partly because (AFAIK) there are long term plans to build a dam in the area, to regularise the Danube and make navigation on the Olt possible, which would obviously be used for linking the two countries. Actually, I'm quite surprised our goverment doesn't request EU funding for this project, as there are serious navigation problems on that stretch of the Danube, and it's a pan-european corridor.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:11 AM   #5869
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It's pity that Bulgaria and Romania are neglecting the connecting infrastructure b/n them. Trade and tourism are constantly rising, but a motorway is still not even planned b/n Sofia and Bucharest.

Here's a chart of the Bulgarian export to Greece and Romania for comparison.
Thanks. Do you have hard numbers as well?
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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #5870
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Also we have info that lot 3 (Blagoevgrad-Sandanski) will be tendered as follows: lots 3.1 and 3.3 in Q2 2014, lot 3.2 (Kresna Gorge tunnel, 15 km long) in Q4 2014.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 01:23 PM   #5871
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Transport policy in Romania is so unpredictable that I will believe in new bridge when actual works will start. Especially when government thinks that secret billionaire from Quatar or China will do everything for them. The Ruse -Giurgiu bridge is excellent example. Heavily used structure which on Romania side urgently calls for repairs while Bulgaria side is fairly OK. And as far as I know 4€ charges were set for repair budget and while Bulgaria made its part and lowered price to 2€ Romania still didn't do anything to repair this bridge. Instead there were speculations that old bridge is so worn down that they will build new one with "uncle from America" money... .
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We do have a very good 2+2 road between Bucharest and Ruse, which is a decent link for the moment. Romania's top priority is linking itself to the west by motorway, Bulgaria will follow after that. The so called master-plan presented a few months ago stated that a Calafat-Craiova motorway would be among the first motorways to be built in the new financing period. So we do have some (far-fetched) plan
I know that this is not correct thread for this discussion but I must oppose to this. Bucharest - Giurgiu road is far from satisfactory maybe it is acceptable but not satisfactory. Road only in theory has four lanes throughout instead it features many sections narrowing road to only one lane per direction and those sections appear without any warning, especially roundabouts. Additionally road crosses many villages where right lane is widely used as parking space. Another reasons are speed restrictions which in villages are mostly 40 km/h and on open stretches it is 70 km/h. There is also big issue with inconsequence of signage with buildup areas starting but not ending and so on. In contrast to this BG road from Ruse to Shumen is much, much more comfortable - road signs have consistency, buildup areas are rare and mostly short and after recent upgrade to alternating 1+2 made it even more fun and safe to drive.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 02:37 PM   #5872
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I invite you to comment further about the DN5 on the romanian section, since I think you made a wrong turn somewhere. The road is entirely 2+2, even in roundabouts (they are rather tight, I give you that). The limit outside villages is 100km/h and can be safely achieved. If you're talking about the Adunatii-Copaceni-Bucharest section, that one was under reconstruction and canceled, so it's in a poor state at the moment. It is still awaiting retendering, and should be done in 1 year's time.

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Old January 10th, 2014, 02:41 PM   #5873
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Transport policy in Romania is so unpredictable that I will believe in new bridge when actual works will start. Especially when government thinks that secret billionaire from Quatar or China will do everything for them. The Ruse -Giurgiu bridge is excellent example. Heavily used structure which on Romania side urgently calls for repairs while Bulgaria side is fairly OK. And as far as I know 4€ charges were set for repair budget and while Bulgaria made its part and lowered price to 2€ Romania still didn't do anything to repair this bridge. Instead there were speculations that old bridge is so worn down that they will build new one with "uncle from America" money... .

I know that this is not correct thread for this discussion but I must oppose to this. Bucharest - Giurgiu road is far from satisfactory maybe it is acceptable but not satisfactory. Road only in theory has four lanes throughout instead it features many sections narrowing road to only one lane per direction and those sections appear without any warning, especially roundabouts. Additionally road crosses many villages where right lane is widely used as parking space. Another reasons are speed restrictions which in villages are mostly 40 km/h and on open stretches it is 70 km/h. There is also big issue with inconsequence of signage with buildup areas starting but not ending and so on. In contrast to this BG road from Ruse to Shumen is much, much more comfortable - road signs have consistency, buildup areas are rare and mostly short and after recent upgrade to alternating 1+2 made it even more fun and safe to drive.
I drove from Ruse to Shumen last year and it was 1x1, with very few sections of 1x2.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:07 PM   #5874
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I drove from Ruse to Shumen last year and it was 1x1, with very few sections of 1x2.
But even with this 1+1 thanks to reduced number of build up areas and absence of roundabouts the drive is rather smooth with cars going with similar speed and this makes drive more comfortable than on theoretically wider Bicharsti - Giurgiu.
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I invite you to comment further about the DN5 on the romanian section, since I think you made a wrong turn somewhere.
I am regularly reading RO thread from 3 years and I've replied only as a result of fact that this road was here mentioned but OK, I will write something about it in correct thread.

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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #5875
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I do not dispute your experience. Personally, I found traffic in Bulgaria significantly less busy than in Romania, and as a consequence a lot more comfortable. On Bucharest-Giurgiu, traffic is a lot busier than on Ruse-Shumen indeed, even with the 2x2 road. I agree that a motorway should be built in between Bucharest and Giurgiu - it's in the long term motorway plans anyway, but that should be correlated with another bridge IMO (what is being discussed now), and possibly a motorway in between Ruse and A2. IMO, this motorway will come under the radar here after 2020, seeing the existing priorities.
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Actually that bridge is not that old (built in 1954) and as far as I know the main structure is in a good condition. So an another 2 lane bridge will be added there!
1954 means it reaches the age of 60 years this year. Many bridges built in that area had a lifespan around 50-70 years. Also, it is not wide enough to support a modern motorway, especially in a Schengen era with 100 or 120 kph speeds.

Even if it does not requires immediate replacement today, it will likely do within 20 years, so it's more economical to construct one 2x2 bridge at once, rather than two two-lane spans some time apart.

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I have not heard this project to be on top of a priority list and I have not heard anything serious about the source of money for it.
It could be funded through tolls, like the current bridge.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 04:37 PM   #5877
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That's why the next bridge should be built at Giurgiu-Ruse IMO, or somewhere close.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #5878
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It could be funded through tolls, like the current bridge.
Of course new bridge could be funded in such way especially that there aren't many alternatives and Vidin-Calafat is also tolled. But I do have doubts as already RO side could and should use present Giurgiu -Ruse toll incomes to repair present structure which is already at bad shape and definitely without repairs will be closed before new bridge hypothetically could be ready. Question is where are the money and why they aren't spend on bridge renovation. Regarding that it is questionable whether in such case RO is capable of building new bridge. I would be more optimistic if it was up to BG side to build such bridge as RO policy is far too unstable and tends to change after elections. BG also isn't saint but at least Vidin-Calafat was successfully build.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #5879
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The Ro Gov cut a lot of infrastructure financing in Romania in the past years, to our own desperation, so I would be surprised if they would stick to other commitments they may have. For example, A3 north of Bucharest needs only 2-3 km more of motorway construction but has been delayed to 2015 !! And that is only one example. There are more other.

As for the bridge, if it is built with EU money, then the funds will be committed and construction will happen more or less in time, like with the rest of motorways currently U/C with EU money. If there are other funds involved, then I am not sure.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:09 PM   #5880
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I have a Question regarding Danaube RO-BG crossings - is there any bilateral agreement that lets say from west crossings are BG obligation and from East it is RO? I am asking because Vidin-Calafat was built by Bulgaria while regarding Ruse - Giurgiu always Romania state plans.
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