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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:27 PM   #1001
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Actually I can't see any pictures of Struma Motorway
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:30 PM   #1002
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Such road construction is on purpose. Under bad weather condition this pavement provides for better cohesion between the tyre and the road surface, as water stays in the lower part of the pavement, among the gravel stones standing above it. Now, it may seem a strange explanation, but I was told so by a guy, who had been engineering roads some time ago. Since I've been driving on Trakia for some 15 years or so, I can assure you that such pavement is much better in case of rain, when aquaplaning may occur on an absolutely smooth road surface, while it may not on such surface. Actually I prefer the old sections of it, as I feel I have a better control of the car under any conditions.
That seems plausible. So you have a better grip, they keep the pavement "rough". Though i haven't seen this kind of situation anywhere else, besides usually bad pavement sections.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:32 PM   #1003
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The best asphalt Iīve drien on is the asphalt of the Struma motorway direction Dupnica and the E-79 nationalroad between Dupnica and Dolna Dykania, itīs really amazing asphalt, you drive with 120 and think you drive 40.
I would say that Struma is not a motorway at all, as it lacks signs and marking typical of motorways and the speed limit is set at 90 km/h.

And a section of the road of just 12 km long cannot be called a motorway.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:35 PM   #1004
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So what it is 12 km. Important is that if road match the specification of motorway in particular country
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:36 PM   #1005
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That seems plausible. So you have a better grip, they keep the pavement "rough". Though i haven't seen this kind of situation anywhere else, besides usually bad pavement sections.
they donīt wanna use it anymore, they now use so smooth pavement that itīs almost slippery to give a great feeling while driving.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:37 PM   #1006
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That seems plausible. So you have a better grip, they keep the pavement "rough". Though i haven't seen this kind of situation anywhere else, besides usually bad pavement sections.
Yes, the grip is better. I think I have seen such type of roads somewhere in UK some time ago, yet the roughness may have not been that significant. Distance of time also matters - this was almost 10 years ago.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:37 PM   #1007
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I would say that Struma is not a motorway at all, as it lacks signs and marking typical of motorways and the speed limit is set at 90 km/h.

And a section of the road of just 12 km long cannot be called a motorway.
first it is25 km and second it just has motorway markings and nothing else, go and see an eyedoctor. Or you probably have driven before April 2007 because the border markings at the middle were not made yet.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #1008
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That seems plausible. So you have a better grip, they keep the pavement "rough". Though i haven't seen this kind of situation anywhere else, besides usually bad pavement sections.
Actually this pavement is very nice to drive on it.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:01 PM   #1009
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Here's a picture of the E85 I've taken last week. After leaving the interchange, it goes dramatically right under Veliko Tarnovo.



Don't have pics from the rest of the trip, but I have to say the Hemus tunnels and viaducts are impressive, and the pavement of the short stretch Struma motorway is really very good. No, the crashbarriers were not shinier than they use to be . The 2-lane roads I've seen (E79) were in good shape and mostly avoided towns - smooth driving except for 60km/h limits at every little junction with a minor road.

Does anyone know why the Struma is speed limited to 90 km/h and is marked as expressway and not motorway? Is it because it is so curvy and steep, or because it is not complete?

Thanks for the photo nitz It's actually 2 tunnels one after another going right under the Old Town of Veliko Tarnovo.



Here some more photos of those tunnels





Here is the view from the other side


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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #1010
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first it is25 km and second it just has motorway markings and nothing else, go and see an eyedoctor. Or you probably have driven before April 2007 because the border markings at the middle were not made yet.
While me seeing an eyedoc may be debatable, you seeing a shrink needs no further discussion.

If the thing called Struma is a motorway, then where the heck are the green signs? Oh, yes, I remember, they were covered in cloth or PE or something else.

And, Radi, poor guy, a motorway needs not only the border markings in the middle but many other things as well, one of which is a sign fixing the speed limit at 120 km/h and not 90km/h.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:28 PM   #1011
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******* AWWWESOME!!! See verso and Chris and X-type and Keber, the pavement of the Struma motorway is aktually very good and better than usual and you talk shit that your motorways are way more advanced.
Hang on, he didn't suggest the Struma was better than all other motorways in Europe like you've done....he said, quote: "Struma motorway is really very good"....ok, wonderful! You know how many other roads around the world are "realy, very good"? Like... a kazillion!

And the only one "talking shit that his motorways are way more advanced" is YOU!

He also said that the speed limit drops at interchanges....is that true? That's not what a motorway does, is it?
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:34 PM   #1012
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Guys, i know radi is fun ... but please take it easy on him or just ignore his sometimes childish or angry posts, ok ?

I personally came in this thread to fix a little bit the image of Bulgaria and its road system that radi has been building for some time.

thank you.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:39 PM   #1013
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Guys, i know radi is fun ... but please take it easy on him or just ignore his sometimes childish or angry posts, ok ?

I personally came in this thread to fix a little bit the image of Bulgaria and its road system that radi has been building for some time.

thank you.
Your pix are wonderful...post any more you get.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:45 PM   #1014
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He also said that the speed limit drops at interchanges....is that true? That's not what a motorway does, is it?
You misunderstood it. That is on the main road part of E79.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #1015
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Hang on, he didn't suggest the Struma was better than all other motorways in Europe like you've done....he said, quote: "Struma motorway is really very good"....ok, wonderful! You know how many other roads around the world are "realy, very good"? Like... a kazillion!

And the only one "talking shit that his motorways are way more advanced" is YOU!

He also said that the speed limit drops at interchanges....is that true? That's not what a motorway does, is it?
Canīt you read at all, it is on the twolaned E-79 nationalroad not the Struma motorway, comprenz?

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Old January 11th, 2008, 01:07 AM   #1016
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I can't see anything on that tumbnail you posted...could you please post a full-size picture?
Oh wait...that's not a thumbnail, it's a molecule on the seat of that bus.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 02:08 AM   #1017
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Canīt you read at all, it is on the twolaned E-79 nationalroad not the Struma motorway, comprenz?

Pictures like these are ******* annoying. I hate Struma motorway more and more when I see pictures like these. I have yet to see any good pictures of the Struma freeway and it's shiny guardrails.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 03:18 AM   #1018
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Itīs a motorway, not a freeway nor Expressway, it is very wide, has middle dividers, has very wide shoulders and as over or underpassing junctions. Just because themainanance team forgot to change the expressway sign doesnīt mean itīs not motorway.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 03:40 AM   #1019
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Itīs a motorway, not a freeway nor Expressway, it is very wide, has middle dividers, has very wide shoulders and as over or underpassing junctions. Just because themainanance team forgot to change the expressway sign doesnīt mean itīs not motorway.
I dare you to talk good things about the other motorways in Bulgaria, WITHOUT mentioning Struma.

Just once Radi, can you do that?
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Old January 11th, 2008, 04:59 AM   #1020
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Itīs ...not a freeway...
you have to pay toll then?
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