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Old March 4th, 2008, 05:11 AM   #1201
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Regarding the exit lanes, they do look a little short and sharp, but theoretically (and I was shocked the first time I saw these) some old Autobahnen in Germany are actually MUCH worse (remember the picture with the stop sign?). So I wouldn't immediately disqualify its status as a motorway based on just the exits.

And @radi: you have to realize that there is indeed nothing special about the crash barriers. Shiny or not (that's irrelevant, and I don't see how most pictures in broad daylight can show its shininess anyway), crash barriers are mainly there for their function. For example, I much prefer concrete barriers, even though they don't always look as "nice". While there were arguments here before, I still believe they are safer, and they definitely give a "safer" feeling, because they block the view of oncoming traffic much better, especially the tall walls used in my province in Canada and in some parts of the US (New Jersey, for example). So really, my point is that the crash barriers will not impress anyone.

Otherwise, it looks like a good high quality road. I definitely wish we had such pavement quality on some of the freeways in North America
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Old March 4th, 2008, 07:09 AM   #1202
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Old March 4th, 2008, 11:42 AM   #1203
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Maybe some of the pictures create an illusion of an expressway but I believe it is a motorway. However, it's a motorway built in a lower standard than most of the west european ones. Maybe it just complies with lenient, bulgarian standards or maybe it's negligence or costs-cutting. It looks like someone built it not paying attention to details. Details such as the exit lane which is badly shaped.

I'm still very confused about the 90 km/h speed limit though. Now what the hell that means?
Does even this road has a status of a motorway ?
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Old March 4th, 2008, 07:45 PM   #1204
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There are only a few not important exits which are short, for example thsi exit here image hosted on flickr


is very good, you can take this gentle curve with 150 kilometers per hour. you have also to take in consideration that on the short exits you enter the motorway on the extra lane for the exits which usually is the emergeny lane, so the motorway is 100 precent safely constructed unless drivers make mistakes.

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Old March 4th, 2008, 09:39 PM   #1205
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There are only a few not important exits which are short, for example thsi exit here image hosted on flickr


is very good, you can take this gentle curve with 150 kilometers per hour. you have also to take in consideration that on the short exits you enter the motorway on the extra lane for the exits which usually is the emergeny lane, so the motorway is 100 precent safely constructed unless drivers make mistakes.
I would't risk my life
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:07 PM   #1206
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And another great thing is that the asphalt of the exits isn´t smooth but rough in order for the car to stop faster, I felt it myself because a friend was driving half on the exit lane just before an exit.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #1207
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Meaning, that when you drive 100 km/h, and you take an exit, you can change your suspension, just like riding on the old A4 in Poland, how great!
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:13 PM   #1208
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Meaning, that when you drive 100 km/h, and you take an exit, you can change your suspension, just like riding on the old A4 in Poland, how great!
No, the asphalt is a bit rougher than normal asphalt but flat, the old A4 in Poland probably has potholes which this motorway ofcourse doesn´t have. It has jsut a bit rougher asphalt which is superb for fast stopping of the car.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:18 PM   #1209
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Yeah, that's a good thing. Smooth asphalt can be very dangerous, especially on tight curves with high speeds, lik exits, or curves in interchanges.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:27 PM   #1210
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We counter it with placing a sign "60" or "40" in the exit lane, so if you go fast onto the exit ramp,its your responsibility
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:29 PM   #1211
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #1212
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There are only a few not important exits which are short, for example thsi exit here

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is very good, you can take this gentle curve with 150 kilometers per hour. you have also to take in consideration that on the short exits you enter the motorway on the extra lane for the exits which usually is the emergeny lane, so the motorway is 100 precent safely constructed unless drivers make mistakes.
It shows that you haven't driven a car yet It would be dangerous to take that curve even at 80 km/h, and probably at 60 km/h too. This is normal though, as no one exits a motorway at 150 km/h (in many places no one even drives on the motorway at 150 km/h ).
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It shows that you haven't driven a car yet It would be dangerous to take that curve even at 80 km/h, and probably at 60 km/h too. This is normal though, as no one exits a motorway at 150 km/h (in many places no one even drives on the motorway at 150 km/h ).
I think he mean the curve on the motorway itself...it slightly curves.
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Oh, possibly, but I was confused because before the picture he said: "There are only a few not important exits which are short, for example thsi exit here ...
is very good, you can take this gentle curve with 150 kilometers per hour."
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Yeah, 150 on the main lanes wouldn't be a problem, but i think that exit looks like 60km/h, which is quite reasonable. Which exit is this exactly?
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Oh, possibly, but I was confused because before the picture he said: "There are only a few not important exits which are short, for example thsi exit here ...
is very good, you can take this gentle curve with 150 kilometers per hour."
No, I aktually meant the curve, the curve on the exit BGRS has photographed is very gentle and you can speed in, and will be able to accelerate down with ease on the rougher exit lane asphalt.
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That would be suicide. I can tell you, even on the direct ramps within cloverleafs (the outer connecting lanes), above 100 is quite fast. With 150, you would be pushed out of the roadway.
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It's called "centrifugal force" by the way. Radi, please get your driving license!
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That would be suicide. I can tell you, even on the direct ramps within cloverleafs (the outer connecting lanes), above 100 is quite fast. With 150, you would be pushed out of the roadway.
Hehe yeah I noticed that when he mentioned entering the motorway on the exit lane (or something like that, I didn't quite understand it), he was talking about a typical cloverleaf interchange design.

Technically, cloverleafs aren't a good idea anyway. For example, on Ontario's 400-series highways the standard does not allow cloverleafs, because they create weaving. Freeway-to-regular road interchanges are built using partial-clover-leaf (parclo) interchanges, and freeway-to-freeway can use different types depending on requirements, but never cloverleaf.
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A decent cloverleaf requires parallel lanes for the weaving process imo. So the through lanes don't get disturbed because of the weaving. The problem with most cloverleafs is, that the weaving lanes are very short, usually no more than 100 - 200 m, which can be difficult to negotiate in heavy traffic. Busy interchanges should better have fly-overs.
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