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Old March 5th, 2008, 12:20 AM   #1221
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http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de...20084&t=k&z=16

the connections north-west / west-north are both ridable with 140 km/h here (Dernbacher Dreieck, German A3/A48)


and for exits, just like chris once mentioned, it is safer to leave the exit uphill that you decelerate automatically, too
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Old March 5th, 2008, 01:54 PM   #1222
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This is for Verso , in responce to some questions he asked.

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Ok Verso You'll finally get the required info :



Trakiya (A1) West :

1980 Sofia-Pazardjik
1983 Pazardjik-west junction towards Plovdiv
1989 reached the junction Trud(the road Karlovo-Plovdiv)
2003 Plovdiv - Chirpan
2007 Chirpan - Stara Zagora

Trakiya (A1) East :

2006 Burgas - Karnobat

Hemus (A2) - West :

1975 Sofia-Jerkovo.
1981-82 the viaducts and the tunnels in the mountain.
1984 reached Pravets.
1987-88 Praveshka Lakatnitsa near Djurovo, without the tunnel "praveshki Hanove" and the viaduct after it.
1998 the obove weas finished + 6 km. to Yablanica.

Hemus (A2) - East :

1973-74 Varna-Devnya.
1984 Devnya-Provadia
1988-89 Devnya - Kaspichan
2005 Kaspichan - Shumen

Cherno More (A3)

1980-ies 10 km. from Asparuhov Bridge to Priselci.

Maritsa

2007 38 km. in use from Harmanli to Kapitan Andreevo

Struma

2007 39 km. in use...
And these are the promises of the Government for 2009 ...
i don't believe they will come true though...

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Old March 5th, 2008, 02:39 PM   #1223
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So which section is the mystic Struma motorway and why is it so much special compared to other sections?
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Old March 5th, 2008, 02:46 PM   #1224
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The Struma heads from Sofia to Blagoevgrad in the direction of Greece.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 02:47 PM   #1225
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Struma is on the left side of the map - from Sofia to Blagoevgrad and the Greek border.... and it is special for only one perticular forumer , who has been recently awarded with the "golden skunk" award from all of the other bulgarian forumers for "promoting" so much Struma and it's shiny crashbarriers around the world.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 06:23 PM   #1226
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What about some motorway to Serbia and Romania?
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Old March 5th, 2008, 06:34 PM   #1227
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What about some motorway to Serbia and Romania?
Sofia-Kalotina at the serbian border is considered as part of Trakia Motorway(A1) and must be upgraded in the following years by the concessioner. It isn't a long distance - some 40-50 km. nearly 2/3 of which is already 2x2 size. Big problem to have a completed motoway all the way from Zagreb to Istanbul in 2009-10 would be the Dimitrovgrad - Nis stretch on serbian side which is nearly 100 km. long, i think and is passing through a difficult terrain.

Regarding Romania - E85 from Ruse to Veliko Tarnovo is planned to be upgraded to 2x2 expressway till 2010 ... and the same is planned for Botevgrad-Vidin, parralel with the construction of Danube Bridge II in Vidin.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #1228
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Sofia-Kalotina at the serbian border is considered as part of Trakia Motorway(A1) and must be upgraded in the following years by the concessioner. It isn't a long distance - some 40-50 km. nearly 2/3 of which is already 2x2 size. Big problem to have a completed motoway all the way from Zagreb to Istanbul in 2009-10 would be the Dimitrovgrad - Nis stretch on serbian side which is nearly 100 km. long, i think and is passing through a difficult terrain.

Regarding Romania - E85 from Ruse to Veliko Tarnovo is planned to be upgraded to 2x2 expressway till 2010 ... and the same is planned for Botevgrad-Vidin, parralel with the construction of Danube Bridge II in Vidin.
Thank you. Bulgary is doing great job. I hope those promises of the government will be fulfilled.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 10:50 PM   #1229
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Big problem to have a completed motoway all the way from Zagreb to Istanbul in 2009-10 would be the Dimitrovgrad - Nis stretch on serbian side which is nearly 100 km. long, i think and is passing through a difficult terrain.
Even on Bulgarian side it doesn't look very easy terrain (from Google Earth). Also on Serbian side, while only two-laned, road to border looks very good, if there is not much traffic, probably quite pleasant to drive.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 10:59 PM   #1230
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Thank you. Bulgary is doing great job. I hope those promises of the government will be fulfilled.
Well there goes the big problem - our government. FOollowing a series of scandals about corruption the transport and finance ministry failed to punish the obviously guilty persons and after EU freezed the money from the infrastructure funds , it also stopped those from the PHARE program last week.... Hopefully our government will find some reasonable solution to those probelms at last ...

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Even on Bulgarian side it doesn't look very easy terrain (from Google Earth). Also on Serbian side, while only two-laned, road to border looks very good, if there is not much traffic, probably quite pleasant to drive.
The road Sofia-Kalotina was rehabilitated last 2-3 years and now from Sofia to Dragoman i think it is 3 or 4 lane nice road. The only problem is the stretch from Dragoman through the river gorge towards the border - some 8-10 km. Also AFAIK the route for a future motorway Dimitrovgrad - Nis is going somewhere up the hills and not through the river gorge. The gevernemnts of Bulgaria & Serbia signed some kind of agreement about all this last year but taking in mind the current situation in Serbia i don't know when or how Dimitrovgrad - Nis will be turned into motorway.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 01:07 AM   #1231
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very bad news, is there any progress with the road funds? Can you link me some pages with fresh articles (possibly with positive news about the road funds)?

Eu shouldn´t be so harsh with Bulgaria, because EU does bad not to Bulgaria, but to EU members passing the main motorways to Turkey, greece and Romania, which are not and will not be constructed soon if they stop giving money.

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Old March 6th, 2008, 01:16 AM   #1232
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The whole road Sofia Kalotina is fixed, however the short part is only with new asphalt thrown over old, some 8 km or so, the rest is a 4 lanes road with smooth mootorway asphalt.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 05:19 AM   #1233
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Since Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU does anyone know what percentage of traffic from Bulgaria, or further east, now travels through Romania, instead of Serbia, to get to western Europe?
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Eu shouldn´t be so harsh with Bulgaria, because EU does bad not to Bulgaria, but to EU members passing the main motorways to Turkey, greece and Romania, which are not and will not be constructed soon if they stop giving money.
Double standards.

If you guys want to be in the EU, you have to go by the EU regulations, that's very simple. The next step should be taken by the BG government.

However i understand, that after decades of corruption, that doesn't change overnight.
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Double standards.

If you guys want to be in the EU, you have to go by the EU regulations, that's very simple. The next step should be taken by the BG government.

However i understand, that after decades of corruption, that doesn't change overnight.
I agree here. Prefer to be late with several months than to have it go just like that with all those corruption scandals. It is our gevernment's fault for the freezing of the infrastructure funds ... it ain't EU's.

If we are in the EU , than at last we must learn to follow the rules and regulations.
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turnovec, please share what you know about the road infrastructure corruption scandal and when funds will start to be paid again.
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Radi , please read here , here , here , here and here ...
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Radi , please read here , here , here , here and here ...
big thanks, mate.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 08:24 PM   #1239
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I agree here. Prefer to be late with several months than to have it go just like that with all those corruption scandals. It is our gevernment's fault for the freezing of the infrastructure funds ... it ain't EU's.

If we are in the EU , than at last we must learn to follow the rules and regulations.
You should learn a lot about corruption. In Slovakia we have one tunnel (Branisko) which is one of the best examples of corruption. It costed twice as much than it was predicted and what is more it was build only in half profile instead of full profile and even that one tube is crappy and it has to be closed several times a year. Construction company Hydrostav rather somewhat bankrupted, but now it's renewed as several smaller companies. And nobody minds...
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You should learn a lot about corruption. In Slovakia we have one tunnel (Branisko) which is one of the best examples of corruption. It costed twice as much than it was predicted and what is more it was build only in half profile instead of full profile and even that one tube is crappy and it has to be closed several times a year. Construction company Hydrostav rather somewhat bankrupted, but now it's renewed as several smaller companies. And nobody minds...
Well somethig similar happens here ... with the exception that the (ex from 2 weeks)chief of the state infrastructure fund, responsible for making the tenders of road constructions gave several of them , worth more than 120 mil. to the companies owned by his own brothers Now the ministry says there is no interests collision ... while the constitution and the laws of Bulgaria say totally different. Crazy stuff , a ?
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