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Old May 14th, 2008, 11:22 AM   #1541
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Aren't 2x2 expressways almost the same as motorways these days? The distinction between Autovía's and Autopista's is officially already gone. (however still visible on older Autovía's)
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Old May 14th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #1542
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Aren't 2x2 expressways almost the same as motorways these days?
I suppose the biggest difference is in geometry. I think expressways allow higher gradients,tighter curves than motorways.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 12:31 PM   #1543
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I just hope they mean expressway but not some 4 lane expressroads with same level exits which are very dangerous roads.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #1544
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I suppose the biggest difference is in geometry. I think expressways allow higher gradients,tighter curves than motorways.
This is the difference Chris, aside from the lack of emergency lane ...

Here is one typical bulgarian 2x2 expressway. (first half of the movie)



The plans till 2020 are very good and i would be tremendously happy if all this is done till than ... but somehow i just don't believe it.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 11:30 PM   #1545
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It looks OK, existing Romanian 2x2 roads aren't grade-separated and pass through villages.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 03:38 PM   #1546
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Now this is black asphalt, this is the village connecting road I was talking about but it looks pretty much like a nationalroad







Ok now beat this, and the asphalt is already 2 months old so I think it will stay black. And the crashbarrier you see doesn´t shine because it´s old, unfortunately they didn´t replace it and add new crashbarrier.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #1547
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That last pic isn't really a tourism ad

Anyway, the asphalt looks okay, but i didn't expect something else considering the road is only 2 months old with low traffic.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #1548
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That last pic isn't really a tourism ad

Anyway, the asphalt looks okay, but i didn't expect something else considering the road is only 2 months old with low traffic.
aktually the trafficload is very high because a lot of opeopel from the villages use this road to reach the E-79 but yeah, in two months it wont show difference. But why is the asphalt only ok, how does for you good asphalt look?
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Old May 17th, 2008, 06:54 PM   #1549
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I think he's just teasing you, the asphalt is good although 2 months means that its still very new.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 11:58 PM   #1550
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The asphalt from the Faroe Islands is darker!



It's very good for a regional road.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #1551
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That's where the EU money is going to.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 04:59 PM   #1552
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and there it should go man! Bulgaria should also have smooth nice looking roads.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 05:12 PM   #1553
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And so should all EU-members, that's why we can discuss so much over here
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Old May 19th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #1554
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Looks like the Trakiya concession deal is no more. The Regional Development Minister said that the project might get funding from the state budget and the actual construction can begin within 2 months and be finished in 2010. I wish they could stop focusing on one section at a time but split the highways into different sections and work on them simultaiously. They could at least get the contracts signed in a more timely manner. We need Radi for regional development minister. Remember what he said?

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the most rediculous thing is that they work ******* slow, they say that they work fast but too me that´s not fast, they should than open on Saturday at least to finish this motorway for new year
No doubt in my mind that he can get the job done my Christmas

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Old May 19th, 2008, 03:16 PM   #1555
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Ofcourse I would let people work Saturdays and on night to finish the motorways, I would build noise isolation walls and concentrate the whole budget on bulding motorways and renovating nationalroads, I would only let good companies work, and ofcourse would never let any Bulgarian company build any road except village and regional because everything they do break in months and markings dissapear in weeks.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 05:10 PM   #1556
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saturdays?!?! motorways are being built 24/7 if you want progress. any kind of interrupting the works (even at one day) is slowing progress drasticly
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saturdays?!?! motorways are being built 24/7 if you want progress. any kind of interrupting the works (even at one day) is slowing progress drasticly
But if so what is it taht takes that long to build the motorways? 20 km 2 year, that´s unbelievable.
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To interrupt a lil'bit radi's endless mumblings and grumblings ...

One photo by the bulgarian forumer Делян

Trakia Motorway Bulgaria - автомагистрала Тракия България

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It looks fantastic? It's just...Trakiyatic
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To interrupt a lil'bit radi's mumblings and grumblings ...

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Trakia Motorway Bulgaria - автомагистрала Тракия България

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Is that the exit for Kostenets? I can't read the sign but it looks very familiar. A full resolution picture would be greatly appreciated.
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