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Old July 3rd, 2007, 07:10 PM   #141
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I'd like to see other roads too, both good and bad ones(If Bulgaria even has bad roads, of course).
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Old July 4th, 2007, 04:46 AM   #142
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That's the I-80?
Yes, I took that picture from my old thread about I-80 in the Sierras.

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You can check out the German A11, they say that one has such bad pavement, that the right lane isn't used.
In fact, I traveled on A11 after visiting the Baltic coast in Poland. The pavement really sucked and some parts of this autobahn did not even have an emergency lane. However, the same applies to I-80 right after Nevada-California border because you really cannot drive in the right lane due to monstrous cracks in the concrete. At least, there is a reason why A11 is so bad (recall history), but why I-80? Was it built in DDR too?
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Old July 6th, 2007, 10:36 PM   #143
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how much does motorway asphalt stay black

I am interested how much motorway asphalt stays black after adding it? I told that the asphalt of Bulgarian national road is black for 7 years now, i hope it will stay black until the Struma motorway is constructed and i hope the new asphalt will stay black very long as it looks nice and also there will be the same ammoutn of cars on two lames so it should last twice as long and stay black. Any information how long the asphalt stays black?
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Old July 6th, 2007, 10:54 PM   #144
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As I wrote an answer to YOU in Slovenian highways thread:

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Asphalt on emergency lanes is inferior in quality than on traffic lanes, usually to save cost and on the other hand it is also not needed. Upper layer of asphalt on motorway traffic lanes has the best quality and stays more or less the same color the whole life of motorway (before next repavement). This is because it has a lot of traffic, and vehicles leave tire parts on asphalt which shield asphalt from destructive UV rays.
Because there's no traffic on emergency lanes, there's no need to put expensive asphalt layer there. Also soon after opening it loses dark gray color ant turns light gray. Exact color of asphalt depends on used stone aggregate (which is peculiar to one country/region) and bitumen sort.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 11:08 PM   #145
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you just wrote a reply to the different color of asphalt on emergency lames.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 11:34 PM   #146
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Ok, let's try again:

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Asphalt on emergency lanes is inferior in quality than on traffic lanes, usually to save cost and on the other hand it is also not needed. Upper layer of asphalt on motorway traffic lanes has the best quality and stays more or less the same color the whole life of motorway (before next repavement). This is because it has a lot of traffic, and vehicles leave tire parts on asphalt which shield asphalt from destructive UV rays.
Because there's no traffic on emergency lanes, there's no need to put expensive asphalt layer there. Also soon after opening it loses dark gray color ant turns light gray. Exact color of asphalt depends on used stone aggregate (which is peculiar to one country/region) and bitumen sort.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 11:38 PM   #147
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So why do the German roads have such bridge color altough they are dark when making them.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 11:47 PM   #148
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This is just in the beginning. When new laid asphalt consolidates, it quickly loses its fresh color to, let say, standard color, which hardly changes over time. Fresh asphalt still doesn't have much tire leftovers to shield, they come slowly over time. Of course, color mostly depends on used stone aggregate.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 02:07 AM   #149
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Should i now also want mods to give warnings to Chris and Alex because of hijacking the thread, no i don´t want but don´t whine like little kids when i compare other roads to some Bulgarian roads in other threads.

Anyway my cousin was in paris for some days and he returned, he told me that they blew with 210 kmh over the motorway and he said that it didn´t felt like it because of the very good aspzhalt, the also told me that he didn´t saw any motorway which looked that good on the whole route Paris Sofia, not even the German Autobahns, i am just saying what he said.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 02:24 PM   #150
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Much of America's money went to "fight" the cold war instead of making beautiful Bulgaria-like motorways. Perhaps someday eastern Europe can pay us back with a USA highway funding bailout program.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 02:43 PM   #151
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As I've seen from the pictures so far, Hemus motorway (A2) seem to be the most beautiful in Bulgaria.

On the other hand, is this really supershiny Struma motorway?

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Old July 12th, 2007, 03:13 PM   #152
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Just there the Struma motorway gets dirty from sand and so on from the near mountains, just look at the other pics, it is the most shiny motorway i have ever seen.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 04:35 PM   #153
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I have yet to see those "other pictures". There were none up to date.

BTW, where are emergency lanes?
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Old July 12th, 2007, 04:42 PM   #154
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Anyway my cousin was in paris for some days and he returned, he told me that they blew with 210 kmh over the motorway and he said that it didn´t felt like it because of the very good aspzhalt, the also told me that he didn´t saw any motorway which looked that good on the whole route Paris Sofia, not even the German Autobahns, i am just saying what he said.
You mean they went to Blagoevgrad? If they only had gone to Sofia, they wouldn't have used the Struma motorway at all.

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Old July 12th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #155
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Anyway my cousin was in paris for some days and he returned, he told me that they blew with 210 kmh over the motorway and he said that it didn´t felt like it because of the very good aspzhalt, the also told me that he didn´t saw any motorway which looked that good on the whole route Paris Sofia, not even the German Autobahns, i am just saying what he said.
Hmmm... I don't believe him! French Autoroutes ALWAYS rule! Paris-Strasbourg at least was a very smooth ride for me a couple of years ago, and every time I went to France the roads were in perfect condition.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 06:52 PM   #156
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You mean they went to Blagoevgrad? If they only had gone to Sofia, they wouldn't have used the Struma motorway at all.
Yes it´s true.

Keber, they didn´t marked emergency lames yet, i dont´even know if this is the Struma motorway but i thuink, anyway



don´t pick on my nerves keber, just look, they didn´t mark it yet, they marked it on May but these pics where older. Look that it is enough place for emergency lames.

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Old July 12th, 2007, 07:14 PM   #157
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Doesn't look better than average on the ridiculous large pic.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #158
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Let's see this picture of Struma motorway:



What can we see? Superdupershiny crashbarriers are not so shiny at all. White lanes are really white, but not more than average white lanes through whole Europe. Asphalt does look good, buot this is because, it is fairly new. Nothing special about that in the whole Europe. Good asphalts should stand at least 20, if not 30 years, and that completely without potholes. And, yes, there are really emergency lanes, but they should be painted as such before motorway opening, not months after.

Summa summarum: As seen in the pictures available, Struma motorway is nothing special. As I said, Bulgarian A2 looks better, even not having top notch asphalt.
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Good asphalts should stand at least 20, if not 30 years, and that completely without potholes.
I doubt that. Maybe for concrete, but with a lot of truck traffic, and AADT over 80.000, i give no more than 10 - 15 years.

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Summa summarum: As seen in the pictures available, Struma motorway is nothing special. As I said, Bulgarian A2 looks better, even not having top notch asphalt.
I agree, it's as good as any new motorway in Europe.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 08:50 PM   #160
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Keber are you kidding or what, you picked out the worst section of the Struma motorway and say it not shiny,



Is this not shiny, i doubt in Slovenia are so shiny crashbarriers, altough i am not saying Slovenia has bad motorways, in some 3 km motorway section before Dupnica they used Slovenian alike crashbarriers, i don´t have pics of this section though.

Or this pic:



If you don´t see how the crashbarriers reflect the sun like some stainless steel it´s not my fault.
keber, i will take a video because pics can´t give a real impression of the motorway, i garantate you that there aren´t that much mtoroways which look so modern than this one in europe, at least not on the route Stuttgart - Blagoevgrad. And i mean all aviable routes, over slovenia or Hungary, only if you take the new A94 than it´s almost as good looking as the Struma motorway but the A94 really does look impressive, too.

But i will tell you, after going for holidays on March to Bulgaria i hate the whole day after travelling on that motorway feelings of something exttremly modern, of something like, jesus where did i travel, on my crappy Kodak camera pics you can´t see that really but in real live it does look like sciense fiction, it does look as if none has ever travelled the motorway, if you will travel on that motorway you will feel like in some sciense ficiton movie and that´s for sure, everyone that travelled there said it is super and very modern, even my German father altough he is German patriot.

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