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Old May 15th, 2007, 12:53 AM   #21
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Overbearing and a pity that this square lining Holborn is going to go. The square is a concrete 60s or 70s relic today, but it does break up the street and it would be a mistake to construct over it. It has one of the few pubs in the City where you can sit outside in the Summer. But of course, given that all of us who like to sit outside in the Summer will move to CW anyway, I can kind of understand why they want to get rid of the square.
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Old May 15th, 2007, 10:24 AM   #22
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Nice to see that the KPF proposal includes reinstating the the old corner building on the North East side of Holborn Viaduct. That means that all four corners will be there again - I assume that was a condition of planning permission?
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Old May 15th, 2007, 12:51 PM   #23
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My understanding is that it would not include the nice facade which is the first two of your pictures. Londonlad, do you know?
Not sure to be honest.Im not sure how many buildings are to be demolished as some of the pics have the red building still in the picture.There plenty of info on the planning application documents on the Corp of London Website of the buildings effected.

Personally I think they should keep the buildings fronting Farringdon St at the very least as it gives the area character. The area around Smithfield/Farrigdon has developed without a masterplan in the last t10-15 yrs & now has smart bars & thriving restaurants in older buildings. It would be much better for the area if these buildings were converted with more bars/restaurants/interesting shops etc rather than another office block.

EL Greco- Although they have done a good job with pedestrianising the area around Spitalfields they demolished half the market to build another office block & are slowing replacing all the old buildings with modern office block. Almost the whole area around Spitalfields has been replaced in the last ten years with the old fruit exchange area next on the list to replace. Surely the Corp of London should put more effort in encouraging the run down office blocks in the city to be built before encroaching further on old market areas like Spitalfields & Smithfield.
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Old May 15th, 2007, 02:37 PM   #24
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Spitalfields, in my opinion, has been a big success story and is probably the most pedestrian friendly area in the City.

I don't think any other office developments in the city have added as much to the street scape or given as many new facilities to the community (shops/restaurants) as this.

Of course you are within your rights to argue the office is bland and that by destroying half the market it took a valuable bit of history away from London, but I would argue that the market still thrives in what remains. Providing they aren't pushed out completely in the future, I think the development has been a successful addition and a tidy bit of the Square Mile that JGG could be proud of.
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Old May 15th, 2007, 02:51 PM   #26
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Those are old renders of Bath House, the scheme that received planning permission is substantially different particularly along Farringdon Street and at the Farrindon Street/Snow Hill corner.
Have you got pics as I got them from the latest planning application.
There is a scheme designed by Shepperd Robson that has had planning permission for a few years but that has been dropped.

@Luke- I can see its been successful and it is a nice pleasant pedestrian area but once you take out a historic part of London you cant really replace it. Instead of the original sized Spitalfield's surrounded by old Edwardian & Georgian architecture it is gradually being replaced by modern office blocks & residential developments & then its becomes no longer the historic old area of Spitalfields.

There's very few remaining large historic markets in London, thankfully Covenant Garden was saved from the bulldozer in the 70's but Smithfield & Spitalfields are equally as important. Theres plenty of other sites to build office blocks without having to demolish half of London's original markets.
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To be honest I really like the latest version of Smithfield too, but since I don't know the area at all I'll leave it to others to discuss the merits of keeping the market buildings.

I suspect redeveloping London's markets is so attractive because of their massive size. The aerial shot on one of the other threads shows just how huge Smithfield is. Not many other central london locations can provide so much scope for redevlopment within a single plot.
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I'm gonna write a few letters this weekend, nobody will listen but I gotta try and save this marvellous piece of London...if anyone else is interested.
http://www.savebritainsheritage.org/smithfield-done.htm
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Overbearing and a pity that this square lining Holborn is going to go. The square is a concrete 60s or 70s relic today, but it does break up the street and it would be a mistake to construct over it. It has one of the few pubs in the City where you can sit outside in the Summer. But of course, given that all of us who like to sit outside in the Summer will move to CW anyway, I can kind of understand why they want to get rid of the square.
that has to one of the worst renders i've seen. It hardly inspires does it? And why is it always so dark? it looks incredibly depressing. I really wish someone in the planning committee will try and stop architects using predominantly glass all the time. It just makes this area look bland and cold.
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Old May 16th, 2007, 12:41 PM   #30
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I also wish these sorts of huge sprawling plinths would play with the sky a bit more we are just covering London in flat rooves!
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agree with you, its as if there is a rule in architecture not to go over an imaginary plane as you say over the city. The area will look dated in 10 years and the building a massive mistake, it reminds me of a 2007 version of that awful prudential building near the euston tower.
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Old May 24th, 2007, 12:33 PM   #32
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Pic of the site of the Hamiltons site (to the left),the Smithfield site (middle) ,next to the Bath house site (right)


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Found a pic of this development- Isn't the best image as it was taken from Hamiltons brochure as website is still not updated.

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Old May 24th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #33
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HHHm looks like a tube ventilation tower
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 03:06 AM   #35
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hi

i keep seeing images on this website that i worked on

i did the little holborn viaduct image on page

who did the smithfields images? they're dreadful! i worked on this job during the planning stage at hayes davidson, lots of view verification

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by the way have a look at www.rockhunter.co.uk to see the other images that i worked on for the holborn viaduct project

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I can't quite help a feeling of gloom descend on me as I look at these proposals. Unimaginative massing and greedy space-grabbing with an attempt to alleviate with a 'crazy' facade.

I have my own plan for the fleet valley however. Might have to try working it up if I ever get any spare time, then take it to Ken and the Evening Standard to make it happen.
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Old July 4th, 2007, 02:59 PM   #38
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bring back the river! Roads are shit anyway
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