Farringdon St & Smithfield developments - Page 4

El_Greco · October 19th, 2007, 04:50 PM

EH should list the market but according to them its of little architectural merit...

randolph · October 19th, 2007, 05:16 PM

It may be true that is not an especially 'good' building - but it is culturaly and historically significant. Sometimes it is good to keep not just the most 'importent' buildings of an era but also the every day working buildings that gave an age it's grass roots feel- buildings not just used by the great and the good but the ordinary working person.

El_Greco · October 19th, 2007, 05:22 PM

What do you mean by not 'good' building?Just look at the size of it and the detailing.Its one of the biggest and most important London markets.Theres whole chapter dedicated to it in Ackroyds 'London The Biography'.To demolish or indeed not to list it would be a crime.You would expect something like this to happen in 1960 not 2007!Theres lots of brutalist buildings in The City - replace them with dull boxes not this market!

Black Cat · October 19th, 2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by randolph

It may be true that is not an especially 'good' building - but it is culturaly and historically significant. Sometimes it is good to keep not just the most 'importent' buildings of an era but also the every day working buildings that gave an age it's grass roots feel- buildings not just used by the great and the good but the ordinary working person.

I'm in 100% agreement! Covent Garden in the 70s was questioned regarding its architectural merit, but who would question the wisdom of listing it today. The Smithfields district should all be considered of heritage value, with specific buildings and elements given appropriate level 1, 2* and 2 listing designation. The building, site and historic function is of huge heritage significance and should be respected and appropriately conserved/rehabiitated for complimentary uses in the future. This is how to maintain the significance of this heritage place that skyscraper forumers as much as others appreciate.

fitz44 · October 22nd, 2007, 06:34 PM

Say goodbye to Bath House

El_Greco · October 22nd, 2007, 07:42 PM

huvet · November 21st, 2007, 01:35 AM

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El_Greco · November 22nd, 2007, 04:31 AM

So just to make this clear theyre demolishing this part of the market right?

And this one is staying?

DarJoLe · November 22nd, 2007, 07:31 PM

That is correct.

fitz44 · November 22nd, 2007, 07:44 PM

Yes - except I think for this small triangular building which was an Ice Store, I think this was listed in the last inspection of the buildings.

mulattokid · November 22nd, 2007, 08:09 PM

The one being demolished is a 50's or 60's replacement...the original was the same as the old building, but was a direct hit for a doodlebug in 1944!

(pic to come once my scanner allows)

DarJoLe · November 22nd, 2007, 11:51 PM

I have to say though that curved roof of the 50/60s extension is quite nice.

huvet · November 23rd, 2007, 03:18 PM

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fitz44 · November 23rd, 2007, 07:52 PM

Just one more! In addition these two neighbouring buildings are due for demolition soon. I'll stop now huvet - promise.

mulattokid · November 23rd, 2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by huvet

The KPF application which is subject to enquiry relates to the Victorian Market building only not the post WW2 building. In fact the newer market building is shown in the CGIs of the proposed KPF scheme.
I think we've gone a bit mad with the red pen boys.

REALLY? OMG! Despite thnice curved roof on the 1950/60s building, have you everwalked passed its walls...Now I really understand the definition of the word 'Wall' A solid barrier, not just for pedestrians, but for the convection of human diversity!

El_Greco · November 23rd, 2007, 08:45 PM

^How about those scans then?

mediadave · November 24th, 2007, 03:09 AM

Sorry if this has been commented on...

If that is the north side of the street, and it seems to be as I'm sure that is Lovell's on the left hand side, then the old white building on the right hand side doesn't actually exist. I guess it was hit in the war or 'redeveloped'. Are they going to rebuild it?

delores · November 24th, 2007, 05:09 AM

Gosh its an inspired bit of architecture isn't it? hmmm

I actually think the demolition of everything on that site does seem to show a lack of vision for the existing buildings. Building yet more dull office buildings with no real connection to the area is an incredibly bad response to what is and could be an enclosed market shopping area not unlike Covent Garden.

fitz44 · November 24th, 2007, 05:26 PM

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If that is the north side of the street, and it seems to be as I'm sure that is Lovell's on the left hand side, then the old white building on the right hand side doesn't actually exist. I guess it was hit in the war or 'redeveloped'. Are they going to rebuild it?[/QUOTE]

Now I know I promised not to huvet but......

Both portland stone stair buildings are/will be new reconstructions. The one on the left was rebuilt only a few years ago as part of the Rolfe Judd redevelopment. Presumably this one on the right is a condition of the pp for Bath House as well.

huvet · November 25th, 2007, 11:21 PM

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October 19th, 2007, 04:50 PM	#61
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October 19th, 2007, 05:22 PM	#63
El_Greco I Like Palm Trees Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 16,758 Likes (Received): 272	What do you mean by not 'good' building?Just look at the size of it and the detailing.Its one of the biggest and most important London markets.Theres whole chapter dedicated to it in Ackroyds 'London The Biography'.To demolish or indeed not to list it would be a crime.You would expect something like this to happen in 1960 not 2007!Theres lots of brutalist buildings in The City - replace them with dull boxes not this market! __________________ My Photos : Lisbon\|Madrid\|Rome\|Naples\|London\|Rotterdam\|Fes

October 22nd, 2007, 06:34 PM	#65
fitz44 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,203 Likes (Received): 6	Say goodbye to Bath House __________________ London Random and Unseen Photos; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=637985

October 22nd, 2007, 07:42 PM	#66
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November 22nd, 2007, 04:31 AM	#68
El_Greco I Like Palm Trees Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 16,758 Likes (Received): 272	So just to make this clear theyre demolishing this part of the market right? And this one is staying? __________________ My Photos : Lisbon\|Madrid\|Rome\|Naples\|London\|Rotterdam\|Fes

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November 22nd, 2007, 07:44 PM	#70
fitz44 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,203 Likes (Received): 6	Yes - except I think for this small triangular building which was an Ice Store, I think this was listed in the last inspection of the buildings. __________________ London Random and Unseen Photos; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=637985

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November 22nd, 2007, 11:51 PM	#72
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,672 Likes (Received): 397	I have to say though that curved roof of the 50/60s extension is quite nice. __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

November 23rd, 2007, 03:18 PM	#73
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November 23rd, 2007, 07:52 PM	#74
fitz44 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,203 Likes (Received): 6	Just one more! In addition these two neighbouring buildings are due for demolition soon. I'll stop now huvet - promise. __________________ London Random and Unseen Photos; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=637985

November 23rd, 2007, 08:45 PM	#76
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November 24th, 2007, 03:09 AM	#77
mediadave Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London Posts: 395 Likes (Received): 1	Sorry if this has been commented on... If that is the north side of the street, and it seems to be as I'm sure that is Lovell's on the left hand side, then the old white building on the right hand side doesn't actually exist. I guess it was hit in the war or 'redeveloped'. Are they going to rebuild it?

November 24th, 2007, 05:09 AM	#78
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,564 Likes (Received): 25	Gosh its an inspired bit of architecture isn't it? hmmm I actually think the demolition of everything on that site does seem to show a lack of vision for the existing buildings. Building yet more dull office buildings with no real connection to the area is an incredibly bad response to what is and could be an enclosed market shopping area not unlike Covent Garden.

November 24th, 2007, 05:26 PM	#79
fitz44 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,203 Likes (Received): 6	[QUOTE If that is the north side of the street, and it seems to be as I'm sure that is Lovell's on the left hand side, then the old white building on the right hand side doesn't actually exist. I guess it was hit in the war or 'redeveloped'. Are they going to rebuild it?[/QUOTE] Now I know I promised not to huvet but...... Both portland stone stair buildings are/will be new reconstructions. The one on the left was rebuilt only a few years ago as part of the Rolfe Judd redevelopment. Presumably this one on the right is a condition of the pp for Bath House as well. __________________ London Random and Unseen Photos; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=637985

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