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Old March 23rd, 2014, 05:19 AM   #3521
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I just hope that face is Korean, and not one designed by a bunch of starchitects with no knowledge, understanding, or appreciation for Korean aesthetics and historical architecture. Why does Taipei get its iconic Taipei 101, Shanghai has Jinmao and the Shanghai Tower, and Seoul has to want all these nouveau-riche trophies?

Postmodern architecture has the potential to be so sensitive to traditional aesthetics, and yet seems far more often sterile, insensitive, and placeless. I think Korea is better than that, or at least it deserves better than that.
I do appreciate your architectural insight but I believe Seoul needs to clean up some obvious eyesores before anything else. It appears that Seoul folks don't seem to have much desire for a clean and stylish living environment. The only thing that they seem to be good at is protesting in the streets.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 06:28 AM   #3522
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Once again, I must say that I hate sounding like an incessant Korea booster/defender, and goodness knows that there are a lot of things that I myself would love to see happen to improve the aesthetics and living conditions of Seoul and South Korean cities generally, but the negative, at-best-blasé attitude that you and more than a few other people seem to have about the actual reality of the place truly boggles the mind (and I hate that phrase). The place is incredibly nuanced, and deserves an appropriately-nuanced examination, one which you seem to continually fail to give.

Improving a place does not mean leveling it and bringing in someone without the faintest conception of it to rebuild, and ppalli ppali does not make for the highest-quality, as Koreans are finally understanding. Those methods have, can, and often will go badly, and anyone with any knowledge of the history of city building projects, whether in South Korea or elsewhere, ought to understand why Koreans would thus be hesitant to just build, build, build.

Look at how long the LWT took to come to fruition, and tell me it's not worth the patience and hesitation.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 06:39 AM   #3523
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Great updates Inno,, love the comparison photo fro 2013 to 2014,, Seoul Lotte tower, NEEDS to rise to full height.. Looks great!!!
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:00 PM   #3524
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I absolutely want the Seoul old plaza building torn down NOW! It's a Japanese colonial eyesore that must go, and with the new building behind, now the Seoul plaza looks like a large mole right in your face.
Once someone's said, the true democracy does not work well for Koreans and that may be shamefully true from many evidences in Seoul.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:48 PM   #3525
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I personally like it? IMO, I actually prefer it over the ugly glass mound behind it. Each to their own, I guess.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 07:16 PM   #3526
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I personally like it? IMO, I actually prefer it over the ugly glass mound behind it. Each to their own, I guess.
Of course, that's since you may be one of pro-Japan chaps and you are indifferent about Japan's brutal treatment of Koreans. I bet you would not mind to giving up Dok-Do to Japan as well. Don't get me wrong. I don't particularly hate Japan but I know who I am and where I came from.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 07:23 PM   #3527
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Of course, that's since you may be one of pro-Japan chaps and you are indifferent about Japan's brutal treatment of Koreans. I bet you would not mind to giving up Dok-Do to Japan as well. Don't get me wrong. I don't particularly hate Japan but I know who I am and where I came from.
See? What is with these totally-unsubstantiated, left-field critiques? You don't know anything about his feelings on Korea or Japan. It would've even been okay if you had mentioned that the old city hall building serves as a reminder of the colonial era, and that that's not a good thing, but instead you go all ad hominem.

Frankly, I think the blend of old and new is neat, even if it could've and should've been better-integrated. That's one reason why I like LWT: it carries gestures of old Seoul and Korean aesthetic, but is at the same time totally modern.
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See? What is with these totally-unsubstantiated, left-field critiques? You don't know anything about his feelings on Korea or Japan. It would've even been okay if you had mentioned that the old city hall building serves as a reminder of the colonial era, and that that's not a good thing, but instead you go all ad hominem.

Frankly, I think the blend of old and new is neat, even if it could've and should've been better-integrated. That's one reason why I like LWT: it carries gestures of old Seoul and Korean aesthetic, but is at the same time totally modern.
You must be out of your mind.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 08:15 PM   #3529
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Let's come back on topic thanks!
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 09:48 PM   #3530
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You must be out of your mind.
More ad hominem. It's like arguing with a 13-year old.

Tell me why you think that, and then we can have substantive conversations.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 10:23 PM   #3531
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Seoul must be amazing and it will be even more with that redevelopped area! Korea is growing very fast! I would love to go to Seoul and to see this skyscraper once it's completed.

Here in Europe we can feel the "invation" of Korean products such as cars, phones and PSY

I am just sorry that you are separated and that North Koreans have no idea about what is going on in the South and the whole world. One day, I hope, when you will be united, those from the North will be completely shocked when they arrive to the South by such a great architecture!

Bravo Korea! You are doing very well!
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 10:44 PM   #3532
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More ad hominem. It's like arguing with a 13-year old.

Tell me why you think that, and then we can have substantive conversations.
The new one was supposed to replace the old one until some morons came along. Now you are saying it's fine just as is. C'mon, are you kidding me?
Do you know what the New Yorkers would say when someone is talking for sake of an absurd argument? "Get out of here."
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 11:29 PM   #3533
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More photos and Above photos copyright belong to http://blog.naver.com/jagu24?Redirec...No=80209805584
사진을 퍼와서 죄송합니다. 혹시 사진의 주인분께서 삭제를 원하실경우 주져하지 마시고 제게 댓글이나 쪽지를 요청하시면
즉각 바로 삭제하겠습니다. 좋은 사진 찍어주셔서 감사합니다.



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Seoul must be amazing and it will be even more with that redevelopped area! Korea is growing very fast! I would love to go to Seoul and to see this skyscraper once it's completed.

Here in Europe we can feel the "invation" of Korean products such as cars, phones and PSY

I am just sorry that you are separated and that North Koreans have no idea about what is going on in the South and the whole world. One day, I hope, when you will be united, those from the North will be completely shocked when they arrive to the South by such a great architecture!

Bravo Korea! You are doing very well!

thanks. buddy welcome to seoul anytime
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 11:34 PM   #3534
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More photos and Above photos copyright belong to http://point8949.blog.me/150187454686
사진을 퍼와서 죄송합니다. 혹시 사진의 주인분께서 삭제를 원하실경우 주져하지 마시고 제게 댓글이나 쪽지를 요청하시면
즉각 바로 삭제하겠습니다. 좋은 사진 찍어주셔서 감사합니다.


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Great updates Inno,, love the comparison photo fro 2013 to 2014,, Seoul Lotte tower, NEEDS to rise to full height.. Looks great!!!

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Old March 24th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #3535
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The new one was supposed to replace the old one until some morons came along. Now you are saying it's fine just as is. C'mon, are you kidding me?
Do you know what the New Yorkers would say when someone is talking for sake of an absurd argument? "Get out of here."
Okay, I think we are in fact done talking now. I happen to think it's okay how it is, and that's "absurd"? You, sir are an idiot.

If a mod wants to delete all that we've been going on about, I totally understand....
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Old March 24th, 2014, 12:49 AM   #3536
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사진을 퍼와서 죄송합니다. 혹시 사진의 주인분께서 삭제를 원하실경우 주져하지 마시고 제게 댓글이나 쪽지를 요청하시면
즉각 바로 삭제하겠습니다. 좋은 사진 찍어주셔서 감사합니다.
[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-2AveRIrUAa1_7BLSD8XCI85zikJ9Br2umf94i-DhBN-rMsqmwQ[/IMG]
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Sorry photo spread came. Have you ever deleted a photo juinbun said, do not matter, if you wish to ask me your comments and notes
I'll just delete immediately. Thanks for the good in a picture.
This is how google translate works... I think Korean is too difficult for it.
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사진을 퍼와서 죄송합니다. 혹시 사진의 주인분께서 삭제를 원하실경우 주져하지 마시고 제게 댓글이나 쪽지를 요청하시면
즉각 바로 삭제하겠습니다. 좋은 사진 찍어주셔서 감사합니다.

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This is how google translate works... I think Korean is too difficult for it.

that korean letter mean compyright express to original photo owner. good translate
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you're kidding Inno, right? please confirm... if that's what it really meant then it is the poorest translation that i've ever seen from google.
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사진을 퍼와서 죄송합니다. 혹시 사진의 주인분께서 삭제를 원하실경우 주져하지 마시고 제게 댓글이나 쪽지를 요청하시면
즉각 바로 삭제하겠습니다. 좋은 사진 찍어주셔서 감사합니다.

=>I'm so sorry for quote your(original uploader) photos. If you don't want your photos in here(SSC), then let me know through comment or send message to me i'll immediately delete. I'm appreciated for your amazing photos.

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you're kidding Inno, right? please confirm... if that's what it really meant then it is the poorest translation that i've ever seen from google.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #3540
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