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Old August 27th, 2014, 04:42 AM   #4581
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Finally those stupid rumors will stop, but it's disappointing that such an book-learned populace is still so prone to believing in something that can be shown true or false, and making judgments based on those beliefs.

C'mon Korea, critical thinking!!
Critical thinking does not exist. I deal with this problem day in, day out at work. I don't mean to generalize but problem solving and applying concepts to unfamiliar scenarios is foreign to Koreans.

As I said before, confirmation bias is rife here. Just look at the deal with the Sewol.

Anyways, welcome back Antares! I'll be heading down to the baseball tonight at Jamsil so looking forward to checking it out again.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #4582
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http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?...aid=0007089289

Today news
Many korea NGO gather in front of seoul cityhall to claim "to stop LWT construction and don't open LWTmall until safety check"

My translation above board "송파구민 다죽이는 석천호수 물빠짐"==> "To Kill all songpa citizen due to suckchon lake water reduce!"
"sinkhall construction to stop" "OUT"
"제2롯데공사로 송파주민 덜덜덜 산다" =>"songpa citizen live with anxiety due to LWT construction"
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?...aid=0007089239
LWT open opposite!!

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Few days ago Lotte corporation Pay 0.1 billions usd more for dig underground road construction. Is this normal country?
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Old August 27th, 2014, 11:23 AM   #4583
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well, sinkholes did become a real concern lately.

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http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...082501748.html

It seems that now the culprit for the sinkholes is officially the subway construction. Hopefully, people will stop blaming LWT for no reason.

EDIT: url was wrong.
It's theoretical, not official. There are other competing theories, such as depleting underground water.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 12:50 PM   #4584
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well, sinkholes did become a real concern lately.

It's theoretical, not official. There are other competing theories, such as depleting underground water.
Yes, and we can wait until we here the results of the study to decide on whether this hysteria is justified. But if you are familiar with the principle Occam's razor, you know that everything else equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.

Which explanation sounds simpler to you: that digging a tunnel underground has led to the collapse of the ground over that tunnel, or that a building has caused a leak in a nearby lake due to its weight, leading water to seep into the ground around it, causing the ground to collapse?
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Old August 27th, 2014, 01:27 PM   #4585
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Yes, and we can wait until we here the results of the study to decide on whether this hysteria is justified. But if you are familiar with the principle Occam's razor, you know that everything else equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.

Which explanation sounds simpler to you: that digging a tunnel underground has led to the collapse of the ground over that tunnel, or that a building has caused a leak in a nearby lake due to its weight, leading water to seep into the ground around it, causing the ground to collapse?
There's sinkhole problems in other parts of Seoul as well, so I wasn't referring to the construction of LTW in particular.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:15 PM   #4586
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Well, that you were is kind of implied by the fact that we're in the LWT thread; sorry for misreading.

It is interesting that they're blaming leaky pipes for subsidence in other areas. I had seen (somewhere; can't say) that one of the pluses of Seoul's water system was that there wasn't a lot of loss due to pipe leakage (although it did say that Seoulites tend to use a lot of water). I wonder if there's some other geological or hydrological cause.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:10 PM   #4587
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:42 PM   #4588
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Well, that you were is kind of implied by the fact that we're in the LWT thread; sorry for misreading.
Nah, my fault. I had realized afterwards that context could be misleading.

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It is interesting that they're blaming leaky pipes for subsidence in other areas. I had seen (somewhere; can't say) that one of the pluses of Seoul's water system was that there wasn't a lot of loss due to pipe leakage (although it did say that Seoulites tend to use a lot of water). I wonder if there's some other geological or hydrological cause.
I recall reading a detailed article of the problem, which I believe theorized that the sinkholes were caused by the compounding problem of depleting underground water and depth of dirt(I don't know the perfect geological term). Seoul stands on a firm foundation of granite, allowing for high density of highrises, but nonetheless there is still a layer of dirt above the granite. The article correlated the depth of dirt and the sinkholes. The article showed LTW standing on shallower layer of dirt, whereas nearby sinkholes occurred on deeper layers of dirt. Same goes about other areas with high concentrations of sinkholes, such as Youngdeungpo.

And I also recall an article that said Seoul had a very high rate of water leakage from the water mains, higher than Germany and much higher than Japan.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 04:39 PM   #4589
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Old August 27th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #4590
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Old August 27th, 2014, 05:13 PM   #4591
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Old August 27th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #4592
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Old August 27th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #4593
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Aishh, I was waiting for you also to know the actual height of the building
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How much higher will the core go?
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Don't worry. The restoration is in progress even now. It will be updated soon.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 06:01 AM   #4596
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Old August 28th, 2014, 06:02 AM   #4597
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all the photos on this page are amazing!
Lotte World makes the surroundings Another World literally!
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TODAY Mr chin kuk ho who chariman of lotte CONGLOMERATE visist to LWT. And encourage to keep up LWT's construction.
though recently he got surgery he bring his own uncomfortable body to the LWT. over 90 years old
BECAUSE LWT is his life dream.
According to the report Mr chin is very heartbreak due to people's accused against LWT. Though this project can not get profit enough. Lotte conglomerate damage with deficit in LWT
Thanks and admire Mr shin's leardership and dream.
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Thanks for the ton and ton photo from there.
It's make me more closer about Seoul ambience and that tower construction
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Old August 29th, 2014, 08:24 AM   #4600
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great Update's Inno,, Just ton's,of photo's... this Building is state of the art, and modern,, Just Incredible,, It is World class!!!! Thank's INNO4321.
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