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Old February 15th, 2016, 02:58 PM   #6661
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the tower is perfect, but really lonely. I never realized how low-rise the rest of Seoul is before they built it.
This made me remind about the Taipei city in Taiwan.

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Old February 15th, 2016, 03:05 PM   #6662
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This made me remind about the Taipei city in Taiwan.

That's indeed a striking comparison, never thought of it that way!
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Old February 15th, 2016, 03:29 PM   #6663
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Yeah, if you exclude the N Seoul Tower, it was very similar to Taipei in terms of this comparison.

To be honest, I was shocked to see the Lotte World Tower (555m) was taller than Taipei 101 (509m) and One WTC (541.3m). lol

I wonder that if this tower would managed to claim the title as the world (second) tallest tower had they approved the construction early?
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Old February 16th, 2016, 05:24 AM   #6664
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I don't think being the only super tall in the area is a disadvantage...

A tower like this is considered a landmark because it's characteristically different from anything around it!
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Old February 16th, 2016, 07:04 AM   #6665
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Yeah, if you exclude the N Seoul Tower, it was very similar to Taipei in terms of this comparison.

To be honest, I was shocked to see the Lotte World Tower (555m) was taller than Taipei 101 (509m) and One WTC (541.3m). lol

I wonder that if this tower would managed to claim the title as the world (second) tallest tower had they approved the construction early?
If you look at the spot, it's true that Lotte World Tower is isolated a bit like Taipei 101. But, the difference is that Seoul being a much bigger city, there are tall buildings in other neighborhoods that don't appear on pictures of LWT.

Excluding the 500+ meter tower, there are (depending on how you count) 2 or 3 buildings in Taipei over 165 meters.

In Seoul, more than 40 (I count 44, excluding LWT). So the scale is completely different. But since the buildings are spread out across Seoul, it doesn't create such a visual impression.

And for upcoming projects, I think there is only one project over 200m currently U/C in Taipei, while Seoul has a bunch : Hyundai GBC (not U/C yet), Parc1, Trimage, Raemian Gangdong, and I'm not including projects a bit further down the road.
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Old February 16th, 2016, 07:54 AM   #6666
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Picture from today (from earlier this morning because it's snowing like crazy now and you couldn't see the top of the tower).

Construction was a bit slow last week because of the Lunar New Year. I think they'll start building the next crown floor (the 4th out of 7 I believe) the day after tomorrow (or tomorrow if we're Lucky)




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Old February 16th, 2016, 10:08 AM   #6667
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Evening view from LWT, shortly before the flashy lights of the city start to glow
btw: Namsan Tower is more than 10km away from the LWT, even though it doesn't look that far.


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Old February 16th, 2016, 11:26 AM   #6668
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Oh my gosh what a beautiful view! I am dreaming of the day I can see it for myself!
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Old February 16th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #6669
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The first half of the building I just was thinking like "what an ugly and fat tower" to be honest. But now with its final height I just love this tower! Absolutely stunning landmark!
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Old February 16th, 2016, 11:17 PM   #6670
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Model of the top of the tower in the Skyscraper Museum in Lower Manhattan
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Old February 17th, 2016, 07:12 AM   #6671
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This made me remind about the Taipei city in Taiwan.



I am sure Seoul will have the same trend as Taipei in next decades.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:10 AM   #6672
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Apparently the tower has now 124 floors instead of 123?
I guess my assumption from few weeks ago came true, when I said that they seem to have added one additional floor, in order to have the observatory above 500m


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Old February 17th, 2016, 01:06 PM   #6673
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That's a great view for Seoul.

I ain't engineer, so I apologize first if I ask some silly question here. Regarding the new 124 floors, does it effect structure of the buildings if they happen to changed their plan midway? Because adding a new floor would be pretty risky since they build a 500+m 123 floors supertall building originally.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 02:21 PM   #6674
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Regarding the new 124 floors, does it effect structure of the buildings if they happen to changed their plan midway? Because adding a new floor would be pretty risky since they build a 500+m 123 floors supertall building originally.

The change is minimal, as they just seem to utilize an additional floor for the observatory, that was already kinda there, but not as a public floor apparently:



In older designs (below) you can see the same "top" area (the grey, solid, windowless area between the observatory and the crown), but not utilized as a floor:





If you compare both designs, you can see that the room height of the 123rd floor in the old design (second picture) is much higher than in the new design (first picture).
So apparently they made the 123rd floor with the skywalk a bit lower in height, in order to fit in a 124th floor at above 500m

This also reflects in the old design plans, where the top observatory is at 497.6m with it's skywalk. But current news mention the top floor to be at 508m, one floor above the skywalk.

Anyway, in terms of structural safety this small change is (in my opinion) quite irrelevant

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Old February 18th, 2016, 02:11 AM   #6675
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Could they be planning to have 2 observatory floors now, on 123 and 124?
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Old February 18th, 2016, 03:11 AM   #6676
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I'm guessing yes
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Old February 18th, 2016, 08:43 AM   #6677
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Am I the only one who thinks this tower looks so much more graceful and better in real life than in the renders?
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Old February 18th, 2016, 10:14 AM   #6678
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Could they be planning to have 2 observatory floors now, on 123 and 124?
No.
All floors above 114 are public floors. So its way more than just 2 floors
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Old February 18th, 2016, 10:32 AM   #6679
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My opinion is that the Tower will still only be 123 floors. I don't think they could just add one floor Midway through the project.

The Korean wikipedia page states that Floor 122 will be the outside observatory, while floor 123 will be the inside observatory, so it's consistent with your picture with"2 observation floors.

My guess is that floor 124 is just on the roof of the building, and is used by workers to know where they are, especially since they have to work on the 6 or 7 "floors" of crown.

Also, if you look at your picture of the so-called "124th floor", it seems to be outside the building (based on the shadows and lighting), so I think this reinforces the idea that this is the top of the building but not an actual floor.

Of course I could be wrong, but still...
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Old February 18th, 2016, 11:00 AM   #6680
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Also, if you look at your picture of the so-called "124th floor", it seems to be outside the building (based on the shadows and lighting)
If you look closer on the picture you can see that it was taken inside and that they used the camera's flash.
You can see it by the typical flashlight-reflection on the right side above "층", and the extremely sharp shadows of the sign's edges and the sharp shadow of the some person's head. There is obviously no sunlight.

That day there was also no intensive sunlight which would make such intensive shadows possible:



soruce: http://blog.naver.com/hangena/220629287055


Last but not least: The sign is on concrete. But there should be no concrete above the highest floor. Only steel beams for the crown.


Anyway, I think we won't solve this mystery that way

It can of course still be a mechanical floor, or a temporary sign for the workers to know where they are.
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