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[rizalhakim]

Hawkers at Meldrum Walk JB will be relocated to better Hygiene & High Tech Food Court.
http://super325.com/2012/05/20/hawke...urt-11-photos/

[Vince]

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

u already smoking singapore fumes more fumes nearer and bigger than any of this project will produce. and not to mention senako and those incenerator.

if u think this project will infect u with radioactive poisoning (dun't really knew where u get those idea,really)

that would make u, half past dead already

So your solution is: Since it is bad, hey let's make it worse.....for that bit of kiasu mentality to challenge Pulau Tekong in Singapore, you want Johor bahru folks to breathe in more toxic fumes?

U must be pretty uneducated not to know that harmful fumes do get emitted from oil refineries. Or perhaps you are trying to mielead people again?

[Vince]

Originally Posted by rizalhakim

Hawkers at Meldrum Walk JB will be relocated to better Hygiene & High Tech Food Court.
http://super325.com/2012/05/20/hawke...urt-11-photos/

That really tall green building that looks like a screw shown in your link supposed to be KOMTAR?

[Mith252]

Originally Posted by Vince

So your solution is: Since it is bad, hey let's make it worse.....for that bit of kiasu mentality to challenge Pulau Tekong in Singapore, you want Johor bahru folks to breathe in more toxic fumes?

U must be pretty uneducated not to know that harmful fumes do get emitted from oil refineries. Or perhaps you are trying to mielead people again?

Hmm, I think we can consider that there has been research made to say that the distance would suffice. There is always the problem of of inversion happening but usually it would take a huge drop in temperature and wind to push it towards the populated areas. The winds would ensure that they would remain above a certain height so as not to drop into any residential area. Also, the height of the chimney used would have to be calculated to ensure that they would be able to disperse into the atmosphere faster with the aid of the radiation of the sun and the temperature of the earth and the prevailing winds. Sometimes, there is a lot of feasibility studies carried out before a project is approved. If it goes ahead, it is more likely that they have found the ideal height of the chimney and the placement of that chimney to ensure that it would not cause a problem to the surrounding areas. I mean, I was studying in NTU, which is very near to the Jurong Industrial area. I did not see any terrible pollution or anything that could cause me to get ill, other than the sweet smell of chocolate from the Cadbury factory. Like I sad, trust us engineers to get the job done.

[LoveArki]

Less fumes come out from the Senoko chimney. used to hv 3 chimney, left 1 now if u realised... they r using newer technology now. The emission is also monitored and controlled by the government body.

[Dean_14]

anyone here booked the annual pass of Legoland?

[daeng_jal]

Originally Posted by Vince

So your solution is: Since it is bad, hey let's make it worse.....for that bit of kiasu mentality to challenge Pulau Tekong in Singapore, you want Johor bahru folks to breathe in more toxic fumes?

U must be pretty uneducated not to know that harmful fumes do get emitted from oil refineries. Or perhaps you are trying to mielead people again?

i love ur idea!!!

look at all the poltion those refineries and janakuasa produce, to give ur electricity and car..

like i said, let shut down everything, retreat to our cave and hunt tiger for lunch

[DC33]

Originally Posted by Dean_14

anyone here booked the annual pass of Legoland?

How much do you pay for an adult ticket?

[SgWay]

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

i love ur idea!!!

look at all the poltion those refineries and janakuasa produce, to give ur electricity and car..

like i said, let shut down everything, retreat to our cave and hunt tiger for lunch

As usual his arguments are without substance....he is just a sour grape knowing such people of poor argumentative level can never work in the petro industry.. in his cherished singapore the Vince will be replaced by a cheaper pinoy, cant afford a car and get squashed by the ever breaking MRT and have to do balloting for a 300k public flatbthat is smaller than a dbkl ppr house and ended up in a JB old folks home

[daeng_jal]

Originally Posted by SgWay

As usual his arguments are without substance....he is just a sour grape knowing such people of poor argumentative level can never work in the petro industry.. in his cherished singapore the Vince will be replaced by a cheaper pinoy, cant afford a car and get squashed by the ever breaking MRT and have to do balloting for a 300k public flatbthat is smaller than a dbkl ppr house and ended up in a JB old folks home

well, if u can't make it here, u can't make it there

no wonder he say he was "handicapped" for success, with that type of atitutes ever mr anwat become PM, he will still say he was "handicapped", and everyone else are to be blame.

[daeng_jal]

Originally Posted by rizalhakim

Hawkers at Meldrum Walk JB will be relocated to better Hygiene & High Tech Food Court.
http://super325.com/2012/05/20/hawke...urt-11-photos/

if give them a beeifit of a doubt for 3years.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Mith252

Hmm, I think we can consider that there has been research made to say that the distance would suffice. There is always the problem of of inversion happening but usually it would take a huge drop in temperature and wind to push it towards the populated areas. The winds would ensure that they would remain above a certain height so as not to drop into any residential area. Also, the height of the chimney used would have to be calculated to ensure that they would be able to disperse into the atmosphere faster with the aid of the radiation of the sun and the temperature of the earth and the prevailing winds. Sometimes, there is a lot of feasibility studies carried out before a project is approved. If it goes ahead, it is more likely that they have found the ideal height of the chimney and the placement of that chimney to ensure that it would not cause a problem to the surrounding areas. I mean, I was studying in NTU, which is very near to the Jurong Industrial area. I did not see any terrible pollution or anything that could cause me to get ill, other than the sweet smell of chocolate from the Cadbury factory. Like I sad, trust us engineers to get the job done.

Feasibility studies? Hmmm, we have sick children in Perak from radiation in a government approved project years ago. I'm sure it went through some "feasibility studies" too. Australians rejected a plant by Lynas and it will be built near Kuantan. Mind you, this is Malaysia, where rivers have been polluted to the extreme and rainforests in Sarawak and Sabah almost gone for the sake of money. Here, mullah rules over the environment. In my homestate, Nusajaya/Medini have been marketed as "green" cities, but if you looked at those areas from the air, all you see are huge deforested open lands and destroyed mangrove swamps. Feasibility study is onle a namesake, my friend.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

if give them a beeifit of a doubt for 3years.

I suggest give them 10 years......

[Vince]

Originally Posted by LoveArki

Less fumes come out from the Senoko chimney. used to hv 3 chimney, left 1 now if u realised... they r using newer technology now. The emission is also monitored and controlled by the government body.

Yes, we call that improvement and advancement. They better do that since the power station is not only close to JB, but Singapore's own townships of Woodlands and Yishun.

[Mith252]

Originally Posted by Vince

Feasibility studies? Hmmm, we have sick children in Perak from radiation in a government approved project years ago. I'm sure it went through some "feasibility studies" too. Australians rejected a plant by Lynas and it will be built near Kuantan. Mind you, this is Malaysia, where rivers have been polluted to the extreme and rainforests in Sarawak and Sabah almost gone for the sake of money. Here, mullah rules over the environment. In my homestate, Nusajaya/Medini have been marketed as "green" cities, but if you looked at those areas from the air, all you see are huge deforested open lands and destroyed mangrove swamps. Feasibility study is onle a namesake, my friend.

Well, that is if the proper procedures are in place. But base on what I see and calculate from the location of this new project, I think it is still quite okay, judging on the prevailing winds in the area.

Somehow, I never really liked the way you say things, Vince. You make things too political. As much as I respect your point of view, it is getting tiring every time you post. Besides, this is really out of point since this project is not even inside the Iskandar region.

[ideal jb]

Originally Posted by Mith252

Besides, this is really out of point since this project is not even inside the Iskandar region.

It may be an hour drive for a distance less than 100km to the site, but it seems that we’re constantly adding hazardous industries to our yard. Just Pasir Gudang alone is sufficient for its worsening air condition and that doesn’t makes JB anyhow better. Lines of trees were cleared for developments leading up from JB to PG making the airborne infections much quicker and direct.

Don’t tell me you can differentiate carbon monoxide from oxygen by breathing. The pollution carries more than that and do those chemicals break down so easily? Haven’t we experience weird climate like flood of the century, increased in lightning strikes, “beautiful sunset” and so forth, acid rain, etc. You think you can escape its remnants? We can’t even do anything to the occasional Indo haze but am okay to add more harmful industries which something we can absolutely restrict..

Yet we try to promote IM as a livable place, but at our habitation didn’t we by now felt the drop in air quality due to car fumes, air-con, open burning, etc.. all these plus the new project will add up to the overall pollutions of what comes around goes around scenario. Certainly, we needn’t gamble on one fatal accident at the plant to actually learn right? Even by act of god could ignite the tanks in PG causing a huge drop to air quality, didn’t those stuff dispersed around, maybe JB who knows and so much for human’s precaution..

So.. what’s good in having economic prosperity if we can't even enjoy fresh air due to a deteriorating environment? Are you (to all) in that industry, you sure you’re rewarded handsomely? I bet there is “no health or wealth” to do with you yet you consciously knew it’ll seriously damage the environment, and in view of the cause and effect we will pay one way or another.

Ps. Our country operates like this, we always needed a few to be gravely hurt or with deaths before they knew the balance been breached. Kind of think that ordinary folks are the best lab rats for gauging risk levels lol..

[Mith252]

Well, I am just stating whatever I have learnt during my time in NTU and just applying how it works here.

Anyway, economic development is definitely needed for the state but the way the things are on the ground, I am not too sure. I guess the same can be said of PTP. Created to compete against PSA, but somehow, not really working. Unless the new complex can offer any oil companies a deal too hard to resist, it may end up in the same way as PTP.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Mith252

Well, that is if the proper procedures are in place. But base on what I see and calculate from the location of this new project, I think it is still quite okay, judging on the prevailing winds in the area.

Somehow, I never really liked the way you say things, Vince. You make things too political. As much as I respect your point of view, it is getting tiring every time you post. Besides, this is really out of point since this project is not even inside the Iskandar region.

Singapore has always been placing its heavy industries as far as possible from the city centre. Power stations are even placed as far away from heavily-populated areas. Although very inconsiderate of the Singaporean government to place them so close to Malaysia, at least the Singaporean government is trying to protect its own people by distancing them from pollution, as much as possible. Johor has plenty of land, so why place it so close to JB, and what is the point of that except some silly ego-boosting move? Why would I want to breathe in more toxic smokes while some government cronny makes loads of money from this?

I wasn't the one who posted about this development in this thread. In fact, I think that it is political for someone to put this in this thread in the first place.

Like it or not, Iskandar Malaysia is a development deeply linked to politics and federal power. That is why I feel that it is not really benefitting Johoreans (and Singaporeans since you guys would be breathing in toxic fumes too). I hope people accept that fact.

You don't have like what I say here, but perhaps you would start appreciating it years down the road when your own kids develop illnesses from the air they breathe.

[bananapotato]

Originally Posted by DC33

How much do you pay for an adult ticket?

i have annual pass

[Vince]

Originally Posted by bananapotato

i have annual pass

When I was at Universal Studios Singapore 2 years ago, I remember it was about US$80 to get in, translating to about RM240. The normal adult ticket price at IM Legoland would be RM275? Hmmm, I can see Legoland go belly up....