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Old February 3rd, 2015, 11:15 AM   #1381
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This road is very mountainous.
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 02:10 PM   #1382
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Nice video. Signage is so poor, lines are barely invisible. 3-lines downhill is very risky, because a lot of cars are overtaking heavy vehicles over full line in turns...

This will be challenge to pass with expressway, but landscape is awesome for driving .
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 03:31 PM   #1383
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Landscape is awesome !!
But i hate when i get stucked behind the truck.
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 04:38 PM   #1384
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The Macedonian part of the Corridor 8 is stretching from the border with Bulgaria, via the cities Kriva Palanka, Kumanovo, Skopje, Tetovo, Gostivar, Kicevo, Struga, to the Macedonian-Albanian border. Now, for some reason, the Albanian government is forcing the route Tirana-Elbasan-Debar (the last town is in Macedonia, very close to the MK-AL border). As far as I know, the terrain on the route Elbasan (AL) - Debar (MK) is very mountainous and the costs for construction of any type of road or highway are quite bigger that choosing the connection between these neighboring countries via Struga.

Anyway, I don't believe that the Macedonian side will change the route, since the city of Debar has very little significance in economic, cultural and tourist way, while with the route Kicevo-Struga (and the neighboring Ohrid) three cities will be connected, of which Struga and Ohrid have large cultural, economic and tourist significance for our country. The route Kicevo-Struga-Ohrid is already under construction. Also, the route Gostivar-Mavrovo-Debar will pass trough the National park Mavrovo, and will probably destroy much of it's natural beauty, so that is another reason why not to build this road. And, at last, the terrain on the route Gostivar-Mavrovo-Debar is mountainous, and very hard to build a highway.

Also, I believe that irrational politics are being involved in this case, probably on both sides.
Thank you, Skopje/Скопје! If Albania and Macedonia can not reach an agreement to connect their motorway systems and prefer to build diverging routes, Corridor 8 will not be completed and its international transit role will be reduced.

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Old February 3rd, 2015, 04:51 PM   #1385
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This road is very mountainous.
Yes, it is, but Macedonia is already building a motorway between Kičevo and Ohrid/Struga. The terrain there is not much easier. According to their plans the route between Gostivar and Kičevo will be constructed later.

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Old February 3rd, 2015, 08:16 PM   #1386
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This road is very mountainous.
I was on this road last summer, awsome road for motorcycle
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Old February 4th, 2015, 11:37 AM   #1387
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Thank you, Skopje/Скопје! If Albania and Macedonia can not reach an agreement to connect their motorway systems and prefer to build diverging routes, Corridor 8 will not be completed and its international transit role will be reduced.
That's not completly correct.

1. The Arberi road in Albania connects Tirana and Dibar, Elbasan is not covered by this road.
2. Arberi road is not only for the connection of Debar or Macedonia but also it connects everything north of Tirana (e.g. Peshkopi).
3. Arberi road was planned as expressway. There were some rumours that it will now be expanded to a motorway, but I doubt that. At least not the part Tirana - Bulquize since the terrain is just too hard and the traffic will be low.
4. Corridor VIII in Albania runs from Durres (north part) and Vlora (south part) over Rrogozhina and Elbasan to the border at Qafa Thana (aka Kafasan). The roads there were rebuilt some years ago, Durres - Vlora is either motorway or expressway (with Fier bypass under construction) and from Rrogozhina to Elbasan and further to the border it's a rebuilt national road (bypass of Rrogozhina as exception since it's not existing yet). That road was one of the first raods in Albania that were rebuilt.
5. It's correct that there are currently no motorway plans in Albania for that corridor but traffic is low so it's simply not necessary. That could change, but the part in Macedonia (Gostivar - Struga) has much more traffic and it's more important that this part will be built - for Macedonia of course.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 12:49 PM   #1388
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Plus Tirane-Elbasan which is finishing within the next months is a motorway .

As for the Arber road , it is going to be a 1x1 highway , and the cost of the remaining unfinished part is around 300 million $ , simply because the terrain is extremely hard , so you are correct there . ( only the 2.6 km tunnels and the bridge cost around 200 million usd ) .

I will post later a video ( showing in detail the project of the Arber road ) in the thread about the albanian highways , in order not to hijack this thread with material / projects from other countries .

However from Debar to the planned motorway , potentially it could be build a motorway stretch that is connecting them . It is not a long distance and the cost per km would be justifiable .
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Old February 4th, 2015, 01:10 PM   #1389
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Yeah, a direct connection between Debar and Kicevo south of Mavrovo National Park wouldn't be the worst thing. I doesn't need to be a motorway, an expressway or a good national road would be sufficent. That would be around 20 to 30 km. Most likely it would also to be sufficent to upgrade the existing R2246 to a better standard. That could be done part by part.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #1390
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It's correct that there are currently no motorway plans in Albania for that corridor...
Therefore that's completely correct. The same also applies to Macedonia. The Macedonian government currently has no plans to build a motorway between Skopje and Bulgarian border.

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Old February 4th, 2015, 08:02 PM   #1391
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Therefore that's completely correct. The same also applies to Macedonia. The Macedonian government currently has no plans to build a motorway between Skopje and Bulgarian border.
What's the point? There's no need to build motorways just because of a Pan-European corridor. It's important to have a sufficent road link, nothing more.

And that's currently true for Albania since the whole road from Durres to Elbasan is in a good condition and absolutely sufficent for the traffic. And it's not true for Gostiva - Kicevo - Struga, so Macedonia builds a new expressway there. However, I'm sure they would build this road also if that wouldn't be Corridor X.

I can't say anything about the situation from Skopje to Bulgaria since I haven't been there in the last 20 years.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 12:44 AM   #1393
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Over 2.000 workers to be hired in road construction works Macedonia



Over 2.000 workers will be hired this year to work on the construction of roads across Macedonia. It is planned in 2015 roads with a total length of 184 kilometers to be built, without the highways, in which EUR 223 million will be invested this year, according to data of the Agency for State Roads.

More than 1.000 people will be engaged on the highways Kicevo-*Ohrid and Miladinovci*-Stip. It is planned this year EUR 70 million to be invested in the Kicevo-*Ohrid highway and EUR 50 million in the Miladinovci-*Stip road. Construction works on Demir Kapija*-Smokvica highway are entering an advanced stage and this year EUR 38 million will be spent for the construction of this highway.

Moreover, a 37*-kilometer highway will be rehabilitated, namely the sections Veles*-Katlanovo, Gevgelija*-Smokvica and Kumanovo-*Miladinovci. Construction works for the regional roads Gradsko*-Prilep and Stip*-Kocani are set to begin. The construction of Veles-*Kadrifakovo and Novaci*-Dobrusevo is being resumed. The Agency for State Roads is investing its own funds in a 9.5* km road leading to Soncev Grad, Opaje-*Belanovce*Stanic and Aracinovo*-Lipkovo-*Orizari.

The World Bank has earmarked funds for the rehabilitation of main and regional roads across the country with a total length of 83 kilometers. 46 local roads stretching up to 57 kilometers will be also built.

http://english.republika.mk/?p=139893
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Old February 5th, 2015, 12:49 AM   #1394
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What's the point? There's no need to build motorways just because of a Pan-European corridor. It's important to have a sufficent road link, nothing more.

And that's currently true for Albania since the whole road from Durres to Elbasan is in a good condition and absolutely sufficent for the traffic. And it's not true for Gostiva - Kicevo - Struga, so Macedonia builds a new expressway there. However, I'm sure they would build this road also if that wouldn't be Corridor X.

I can't say anything about the situation from Skopje to Bulgaria since I haven't been there in the last 20 years.
In the meantime, Macedonia is building a motorway from Skopje to Štip where definitely there is not enough traffic for such road. That's the point. In many cases, national development is not based on realistic assessments of existing and future traffic and also does not take into account the need for transport connections across national borders.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 12:56 AM   #1395
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When is Macedonia planning to build the 17km stretch of motorway towards the border with Kosovo? They have already started building their side and will reach the Macedonian border in 3 years time.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 09:20 AM   #1396
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I don't believe that it's gonna happen very soon, unfortunately...

Meanwhile, a reconstruction of the highway sections Veles-Katlanovo, Smokvica-Gevgelija and Kumanovo-MIladinovci in total length of 37 km was announced.

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Кога станува збор за македонските автопати, во 2015 година ќе продолжи изведбата на трите автопати. За делницата Кичево – Охрид е планирано да се издвојат средства во висина од 70 милиони евра, за делницата Демир Капија – Смоквица се предвидени 38 милиони евра, додека за автопатот Миладиновци – Штип ќе се издвојат 50 милиони евра. Во текот на наредните месеци ќе започне рехабилитацијата на автопатски делници во должина од 37 километри, и тоа Велес – Катланово, Смоквица – Гевгелија и Куманово – Миладиновци.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 10:12 PM   #1397
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Just as planed
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Old February 5th, 2015, 11:58 PM   #1398
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Most likely it would also to be sufficent to upgrade the existing R2246 to a better standard. That could be done part by part.
The road has a lot of hairpins (S-shaped curves) and to bypass them, you need to build a tunnel min. 5-10 km in length. Plus it passes through a narrow gorge, and there is additional problem of bypassing Debar.
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Some news for E-65 (A2) highway section Gostivar-Kicevo

[IMG]http://oi58.************/2wrkm8j.jpg[/IMG]

...A major international company has announced its interest to take up the planned Kicevo-Gostivar highway under concession.The private partner will manage the tolls of the section Skopje-Ohrid, and for some significant financial benefit, he invested in the construction of the section from Gostivar to Kicevo...



source: http://www.build.mk/?p=42944
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Old February 7th, 2015, 10:55 PM   #1400
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Hey fellows......i need your opinion on something:

Bitola is the second largest city of your country........however, there is no motorway connection to other cities (Skopje, Veles or Ohrid for example).
Moreover, in Greece the 14 km stretch of the A27 motorway (Florina-Niki border crossing) is being built, so wouldn't it be a good thought if a motorway (probably Ohrid-Bitola-Niki border crossing) was built on your side???
I don't know......it's just my thought..........please tell me what you think.

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