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Old November 26th, 2008, 02:17 AM   #141
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First part of Skopje ring road (15km) was open. Second one (red dots) also 15km toal 30km should be open by mid 2009.


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Old December 9th, 2008, 02:14 AM   #142
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Nice work dear neighbours. For instance, do you know if any greek company takes part in the construction of these new roads? (I think in one of the posted images on a foot bridge there is a sign that has the name of the greek company TERNA written on it).
Here is the Side from Terna about this Part.
http://www.terna.gr/dyn.php?main_cell=article&sid=645

And someone Work between Neighbours.
Feasibility Study and Highway Pre-design for the Section Demir Kapija – Udovo – Smokvica M-1(E-75).
http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.asp?id=2300&la=2
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Old December 10th, 2008, 06:31 PM   #143
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There are great pics of Macedonian roads and motorways on google earth. Many roads look like they have new pavement and good markings.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 08:38 PM   #144
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The baypass looks good!

As far as the usage of the Albanian on these roads is considered even last year the government had put sufficient fonds aside for changing the road sings on all national roads from Kumanove all the way to Oher, since local roads are responsibility of local governments, but then elections happened and then god knows what else happened...it is just the matter of time when they will have to put this!

Hopefully they do this before it leaves a really bitter taste (it already does that as a matter of fact) or Albanians in some village block the road or something...this is still Balkans after all!
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Old December 10th, 2008, 09:21 PM   #145
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There aren't many Slovenian inscriptions in Trieste either. But then again, Trieste is in the Balkans too.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #146
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There aren't many Slovenian inscriptions in Trieste either. But then again, Trieste is in the Balkans too.
I like how some populated areas in Istria have a Slavic name that has a meaning, and then the Italian name is something that has nothing to do with this meaning, but have some phonetic similarity, for example Vodnjan in Italian is Dignano.
Anyway, in the case of Macedonia, I don't think Tetovo is much different than Tetovė to put both on the signs.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #147
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There aren't many Slovenians in Trieste neither for what I know...and it does not have to do with how similar the names are or are not but to show that you respect the culture and language of at least one fourth of the nations population and fully implement the Oher Agreement!
Ista is definitely the best example of people respecting each other, but of course Istra is a totally different Balkan story!
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:15 PM   #148
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There aren't many Slovenians in Trieste neither for what I know...
A few times more than Italians in Slovenia.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:15 PM   #149
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There aren't many Slovenians in Trieste neither for what I know...and it does not have to do with how similar the names are or are not but to show that you respect the culture and language of at least one fourth of the nations population and fully implement the Oher Agreement!
Ista is definitely the best example of people respecting each other, but of course Istra is a totally different Balkan story!
Yes there are many Slovenes in Trst, and I've seen some of them going to a restaurant in SLO for dinner and then back home. I also have a friend from Ljubljana who went to high school in Trst.
About language rights - I think those should be granted to peoples like the Catalan or the Basque that don't have their own country and are majority, but when you have your country and you live abroad, you should melt with the locals. How do you see France with signs in Arabic?
Anyway, this is my opinion...
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:18 PM   #150
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Arabs aren't autochthon in France, whereas Slovenes in Trieste are, they aren't immigrants, lol. We're getting OT, as usually...
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:21 PM   #151
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I know that. Are Albanians autochthon in Skopje?
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:44 PM   #152
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I know that. Are Albanians autochthon in Skopje?
what do u think? google is our friend...he can be yours too...but..use it always ...if u dont know elementary things about history.

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Old December 10th, 2008, 11:02 PM   #153
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Okay, I admit it was a stupid question and I already knew the answer, but the thing is that I am against the whole nationalistic idea that is behind... On the same basis you may want to introduce Albanian in Croatia, Greece etc. I know once the people that are your hypothetical ancestors were populating a large area of the Balkans, but the idea of Greater Albania is as much nuts as the idea of Bulgaria on three seas or Macedonia appending Aegean and Pirin Macedonia.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 11:05 PM   #154
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The only way to beat the nationalistic idea is to respect everyones rights on culture and language, music, food, sex whatever...
The multilanguage contries should see its languages as its cultural fortune not a disadvantage or a threat!!!
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Old December 10th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #155
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Yep, but it depends much on the context. A good example is Itsria where Italian, Slovenian and Croatian coexist in a peaceful way. A bad example is Macedonia where the Albanian language was imposed as official with military actions...

Besides we should abolish borders instead of creating them - I'm sure you know what I mean.
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Okay, I admit it was a stupid question and I already knew the answer, but the thing is that I am against the whole nationalistic idea that is behind... On the same basis you may want to introduce Albanian in Croatia, Greece etc. I know once the people that are your hypothetical ancestors were populating a large area of the Balkans, but the idea of Greater Albania is as much nuts as the idea of Bulgaria on three seas or Macedonia appending Aegean and Pirin Macedonia.
There's nothing nationalistic here...We dont claim nothing from that country.... the 30% of the population of that country want the signature in their language and that country should respect the right of minorities.Thats all....And pls...stop propaganda here..bcz dont exist any also called "Great Albania", the therm was created by those who become "Greater" and not from us .We lived and live in those lands for millenia and it is "Ethnic Albania" and not "Great Albania"...bcz its not the same thing...

but whatever..we are off topic...lets turn to roads know.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 11:19 PM   #157
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Istra is definitely a good example...
...and Varna boy, the thing with Macedonia is that Albanians had to rebel in order to win their rights and you know that very well, if Macedonia would have respected the rights of all of its people it would have never had military actions! The Macedonian action was to deminish Albanian presence what Albanians did is called a REACTION!
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There's always a peaceful way of doing it. But let's get back on topic...

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Macedonia sets highway budget

Macedonia is planning to invest a healthy 2.7 billion Euros in road projects and other infrastructure work. Key projects include the addition to the Corridor 8, which connects Macedonia, Albania and Bulgaria, as well as the Ohrid by-pass and the new road to the Kozuf ski resort. These projects will be jointly financed by the World Bank and from state budgets.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 11:37 PM   #159
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Does it say for which period of time will this be?
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The baypass looks good!

As far as the usage of the Albanian on these roads is considered even last year the government had put sufficient fonds aside for changing the road sings on all national roads from Kumanove all the way to Oher, since local roads are responsibility of local governments, but then elections happened and then god knows what else happened...it is just the matter of time when they will have to put this!

Hopefully they do this before it leaves a really bitter taste (it already does that as a matter of fact) or Albanians in some village block the road or something...this is still Balkans after all!
good one..... this is Balkan after all...

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There aren't many Slovenians in Trieste neither for what I know...and it does not have to do with how similar the names are or are not but to show that you respect the culture and language of at least one fourth of the nations population and fully implement the Oher Agreement!
Ista is definitely the best example of people respecting each other, but of course Istra is a totally different Balkan story!
If you respect language and culture of english people write english names.

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The only way to beat the nationalistic idea is to respect everyones rights on culture and language, music, food, sex whatever...
The multilanguage contries should see its languages as its cultural fortune not a disadvantage or a threat!!!
still i don“t see much serbian, macedonian or greek in Albania. Or Serbian in Croatia.

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