Bangalore Update II - project news from Bangalore

[vadi]

I began writing up then realized, one pic is worth a thousand words:



Note there are two peripheral roads planned for b'lore.
1. BMIC Peripheral Road-BMICPR and
2. BDA Peripheral Road -BDAPR.

BMICPR- private (toll)
BDAPR - sarkaari (free)

The BDAPR will circumscribe the entire city and will be approx 110 kms.
The BMICPR is currently only a semi circle that connects major radial roads on west, south and east blore.
They have ideas about adding a North-South alignment Devanahalli ARPT to the eastern end of BMICPR - (think of a sickle). But all this is subject to clearance and all

BDAPR - still acquiring land(advanced stages). no construction
BMICPR- land acquired by Govt-but not all needed land given to BMIC, construction in advanced stages.

Circular BDAPR encircles semi-circular BMICPR.
BMICPR is outside the existing circular Outer Ring Road(ORR).
ORR encircles an exisitng quarter circle road called IRR.
IRR will be outer to the proposed circular Core Ring Road (CRR).

BDAPR plans to support 5 bus depots and 5 truck terminals.
BMICPR is also planning truck and bus depots.

[Babji]

thanks for the renderings, vadi.
is this a proposed plan or final?
do they have any time line?

[vadi]

yuo are welcome

if you are interested, i will post the google earth alignments of all these roads.
mebbe by friday.

most of these alignments are by now fixed.
they are getting lands.
interestingly it seems people are are ready to give lands for roads but they have some trouble giving up land for truck and bus terminals.

[Babji]

Originally Posted by vadi

yuo are welcome

if you are interested, i will post the google earth alignments of all these roads.
mebbe by friday.

most of these alignments are by now fixed.
they are getting lands.
interestingly it seems people are are ready to give lands for roads but they have some trouble giving up land for truck and bus terminals.

that'll be great. please do post.
this is interesting. is there any specific reason, why they don't like truck and bus terminals?

[SURYA]

Fantastic news for banglore
SC Clears NICE Project(Bangalore Mysore Expressway)
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmor...oject&id=87078

Let us hope it takes off now atleast -

[vadi]

Existing and proposed ring roads in B'lore and some of the major radial roads.

[Babji]

Originally Posted by vadi

Existing and proposed ring roads in B'lore and some of the major radial roads.

Wonderful Vadi! thanks many.

the BDAPR and BMIC-PR will make the new airport easily accessible to entire B'lore.

[Tintin27]

times of india Saturday edition... Do you think we mite see this in the near future??

Monorails on expressway?

Monorails on expressway?
The Times of India

Bangalore: Mysore in 45 minutes, and at a fraction of the cost travelling the same distance by your car. That’s a possibility if Nandi Infrastructure Corridor Enterprise’s (NICE) plans for a monorail along its Bangalore-Mysore expressway works out.

A NICE spokesperson said the company is in advanced stage of discussions with three potential monorail operators for implementing the project. The plan is to have monorails running on the expressway, as also on NICE’s outer peripheral road that connects Tumkur Road with Hosur Road via Mysore Road.

If the company is allowed to extend the Peripheral Road to do an entire circle of the city, the monorail could even connect the up-coming international airport in Devanahalli.

The company says the monorail could become a great alternative for the masses — those unable to pay the tolls on the road — and equally for those who do not want to use their personal vehicles.

“The latest high-speed monorails run at speeds of 180-200 km/hour. And they could complete the expressway’s 110 km distance in 45 minutes,” says the NICE official.

Implementing the NICE monorail project is also expected to be significantly simpler and more cost effective than what is being proposed for monorail systems within Bangalore city. That’s because NICE’s monorail would run at the road level, not on stilts. The expressway median is 15 metre wide and the Peripheral Road median is 11.5 metre wide. That is seen to be sufficient to run a two-way monorail system.

Stations and multi-storeyed car parks are proposed to be set up at each interchange on the expressway and the Peripheral Road. On the Peripheral Road, the interchanges are present wherever the road intersects major existing roads like Hosur Road, Bannerghatta Road, Kanakapura Road, Mysore Road, Magadi Road and Tumkur Road. On the expressway, the interchanges are present at towns along the way.

[Babji]

thanks for the news Tintin27.

"...The latest high-speed monorails run at speeds of 180-200 km/hour...
... NICE’s monorail would run at the road level, not on stilts..."

this is amazing. monorail traction mechanism involves heavy duty tyres, as agains steel wheels in rail based MRTS systems. Most monorail systems run at medium speed (25-40MPH) with low-medium passenger capacity (2-4 cars of 20-40capacity). usually, the operating cost is more than the rail based MRTS, and hence the fare.

If this new system is really feasible and cost effective, this will predominate the MRTS systems for the future metro transit systems.

[vadi]

You are right, i checked the monorail.org website and see that most are around 70mph ~110 kph range. even cos like seimens, hitachi, mitsubhsishi think of monorails in that range.
The guy heading the BMIC Kheny "made his million" in the USA.
Here are some monorail cos in the US that do that kind of speed he's talking about.
Owen Transit Groups Silver Bullet says can do 200mph
Follow links on that page for layouts and some specs.

Bombardier Intercity Trains-200 kph
This one seems more of a proven tech and has already been done in a few cities in western europe, china and uzbekistan. Check on that project at the right side of the page. most trains are 150-200 kph range.
has more tech details.
on the bombardier.com site follow rail vehicles link for more ideas.

the other group we know he was talking to was metrail.
they donot seem to have the tech for the speeds he's talking about.

do you how much alll these might cost?

[Tintin27]

200 kmph sounds a bit strange. I dont think any monorails anywhere in the world goes this fast.. But having a High speed train is very very much possibility as the tracks will be built within the Expressway premises which means its access controlled and no crossing watsoever unlike the indian railways who will have to fence tracks, build overpasses/underpasses for ppl crossing tracks before running 200kph trains.... So high speed train very likely but monorail in that speed, thats confusing

[vadi]

babji,
about airport connectivity i dont know.
the main connecting road is NH7. it is being quietly upgraded. check google earth images and you see wide and long swathes of construction.

but then this is the primary connector with no load sharing roads. already mekhri circle is congested. it takes ORR+NH7+blorewest+cbd passenger and goods traffic. to this if you add 16k airport traffic(16k x 365 ~ 6mil/year) + all the movement due to development in blore-north, god knows.

to be sure there is a rail link along this, that connect blore west, cbd and blore east(itpl and whitefield). but nobody has shown interest in running local trains in this sector.

BMIC-PR has no reach and BDA-PR is non existent. the day the northern component of BDA-PRR gets built it will be choked.

realistically, i have no hopes for adding the northern component to the BMIC.

BMIC is a project that will depend on the pull that towns and townships in the blore-mysore region in the SW can exert on blore. This is countered by a huge part by the airport in the north.

[vadi]

well,
otg and bomardier talk of hard rubber tires. so idunno not an expert.
mebbe if he says rail then that would lead to hassles with IR so our man says monorails.

cost comparison.
reference:
blore-mys train costs upwards of Rs. 25. ~3-3.5 hrs.
single track. all trains stop for crossing. only shatbdi and one more train have unhindered access.

blore-mys bus costs upwards of ~ Rs. 50. ~2.5-3.0 hrs.

reality, people skip buses and take trains. heavy rush. road is also "full".

[pding]

all this talk about super fast trains and stuff like that: i don't think india ready for that yet.

[vadi]

Originally Posted by pding

all this talk about super fast trains and stuff like that: i don't think india ready for that yet.

ok

[Naga_Solidus]

Originally Posted by pding

all this talk about super fast trains and stuff like that: i don't think india ready for that yet.

I beg to differ: India needs them mroe than anything else, so as to improve the quality of its massive railway system (Which is in dire need of upgrades).

And don't forget that ultra-high-sped trains, as in 500km/h+, can theoretically compete with air travel over short distances and is better for the environment, assuming the power generated for the system is generated in a clean manner, by way of solar fields, windmills, etc.

[pding]

i agree Naga. but that is over the long term, may be by 2020. for now, they should concentrate on increasing the average speed on all routes over 200 km to 120 Km/hr.

[magestom]

Japan got its first bullet train in 1960. 220km. They were not world second economy then either.

[Babji]

Japanese work ethics and culture are much diff from that of ours...

nearly 58 years after independence, IR (Shatabdi Express) has attained a speed of 150KMPH - it was a big deal.
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http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?a...lnews&id=10232
Lalu Yadav flags off India's fastest train
... The fastest ever train in India—New Delhi and Agra Shatabdi Express—running at a speed of 150 km per hour, was today flagged off by Railway Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav from the New Delhi Railway Station...

[Zailsingh]

magestom,
India was building cars(HM) from 1950.Today japanese and koreans help us to build cars and other automobiles.
In 1950 Japan was still in ashes. Do we need to say where the japanese are today in terms of automobile manufacturing.