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Old May 12th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #2021
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A1 West Autobahn

Today it's exactly 45 years ago the A1 was completed, when the final 14 kilometers near Amstetten opened to traffic. It was the first major motorway in Austria that was completed. The 13,5 kilometer Amstetten section opened on May 12th, 1967.

Construction of the A1 began on April 7, 1938 by Hitler himself. The first section opened in 1941 near Salzburg. Another short section opened in 1949, one of the first post World War II openings in Europe. Significant sections opened from 1958 onward.

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Old May 26th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #2022
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I don't think that much of the traffic from Wien to Klagenfurt would move to S6/S36/S37 because it's more confortable to drive on a motorway and the speed limit is higher.
I don't think that way. I'm from Graz and I have like exactly the same km when I drive to vienna via A2 or via S35/S6.

Speed limits are the same on the Autobahn and the Schnellstraße. The only difference is that via S35/S6 are more tunnels but on that route there is usually alot less traffic. And therefore I find it more comfortable to drive on the S6 than on the A2. So I just take one time this route, other times the other route, it takes like exactly the same time but when there is alot of traffic like on vacation weekends S6/S35 is always faster.

If there would be a S36 and S37 to Klagenfurt the benefit of that route, especially for heavy trucks, would be that the route is much more flat. And it would be about 10 km shorter, so in times of truck tolling you guess which route trucks will take.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #2023
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There is not much truck traffic that would benefit from such a route anyway. Only 3.000 trucks pass the border at Arnoldstein, 2.300 drive near Völkermarkt and 3.300 drive near Sebersdorf. Only a portion of those traffic counts is truck traffic that would drive all the way from at least Klagenfurt to Wiener Neustadt. Maybe 1.000 trucks would switch to S6/S36/S37 in a worst-case scenario. Hardly worth mentioning on a motorway, but it is usually exaggerated in the media (the so-called "LKW-lawinen").
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Old May 28th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #2024
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Hitler was a hard worker but he had the wrong clothing for the job
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Old June 5th, 2012, 05:48 AM   #2025
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The Karawanken tunnel (A11) will get a second tube!

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Construction time: until 2019
Costs: 235 millions €uro
(Austria pays 55% and Slovenia 45% proportionately to the tunnel length in each of the countries)

After completition, the second tube will be used by the traffic in BOTH directions while the old tube will be reconfigured as an evacuation tunnel.
However should the traffic increase very much in future there is the possibility to use both tubes.

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Old June 5th, 2012, 10:05 AM   #2026
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Nice

And a video of the existing tunnel:

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Old June 5th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #2027
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What a huge ******* waste of money. Disgrace.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 02:29 PM   #2028
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It's a bit old news. It's good news though, a very wise decision to do. This saves a lot of money later. A second tube was necessary anyway, either as a traffic tube or escape tube.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #2029
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What a huge ******* waste of money. Disgrace.
It will pay itself some day. There exist much more expensive projects which will bring back much less.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #2030
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This makes no sense. Maybe they save money on not doing upgrades in the original tube. Even here in Norway, the country without sense for infrastructure, we would use both tubes. Actually, that is the reason why we build two tubes in the 14 km Ryfast under sea project and the similar 25 km Rogfast project. They would've been built with one tube had it been up to the government. EU, however, says otherwise.

Btw, why does it look like you drive into an office building with some tunnels?
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #2031
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^ So not all tunnel entrances are boring.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #2032
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Not quite. Both buildings house very powerful (and therefore big) ventilators, ventilation pipes and other electrical equipment. There is no ventilation duct in the middle of this tunnel as in some other tunnels of similar length.

And as a very important point of transit those tunnels have strong symbolical value and are therefore usually marked also architecturally. The same is valid also for Felbertauern tunnel. Katshcberg and Tauern tunnel on A10 have those buildings beside tunnel, because there is more space.

Felbertauerntunnel south portal:


Tauerntunnel north portal:
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Old June 9th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #2033
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And as a very important point of transit those tunnels have strong symbolical value and are therefore usually marked also architecturally.
I think it has more to do with their length, because all other tunnels on that route are equally important (like Ljubno or Šentvid on the Slovenian A2; I don't know about Austrian tunnels).
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Old June 9th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #2034
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Of course, very long tunnels need very powerful ventilation, especially if there are two different climate zones (which is usual at long and high mountain ranges) and here they are, believe it or not (not quite alpine vs. jungle but still). At time of design it was decided that electrical and machine installations will be incorporated into portals therefore such construction was made and of course not to make some monolithic cube (like above example at Tauerntunnel) they made something more interesting on both sides. It was still something representative, like longest tunnel connecting West and East Europe (capitalism and communism) and other political fairy tales.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #2035
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It was still something representative, like longest tunnel connecting West and East Europe
The Austrian side lies east of the Slovenian side though.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 01:03 AM   #2036
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what about this border crossing, A south, SLO north

http://maps.google.si/maps?saddr=46....p=0&sz=15&z=12
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^ Not only south, it's southeast.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 03:10 AM   #2038
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Well, here I give you the longest road tunnel in the world. Could be any road tunnel in Norway. Other motorway-tunnels are similar of design, and nothing implies that the 25 km undersea Rogfast motorway tunnel would have any different entrance.

So at least here in Norway we don't make masterpieces out of tunnel entrances just because of importance.

http://goo.gl/maps/mQAB
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Old June 10th, 2012, 03:30 AM   #2039
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Are you trying to say it's a bad thing to make an interesting-looking tunnel entrance? Because most people would probably disagree.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #2040
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The Austrian side lies east of the Slovenian side though.
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what about this border crossing, A south, SLO north

http://maps.google.si/maps?saddr=46....p=0&sz=15&z=12
I like both of them! I remember that once, looking at my Italian road map, I found the Cerignola East exit is located slighty West of the Cerignola West one . And of course, North of that.

PS: How about this border crossing? Austria to the North, Germany to the South.
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