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Old June 11th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #2061
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you really think it makes sense to do the rettungsgasse over and over again every morning and afternoon f.e. on A7 in Linz, A14 before pfändertunnel A22, A23, A2, A4 in vienna when there is only a simple little congestion??? i dont think so.
Again. You can't tell what's the reason for the congestion. Could be a horrible accident or too much traffic.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #2062
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No, they are not familiar with it at all. It might be law there, but nobody does it. Sitting in traffic in Germany is like a hobby of mine, and I only saw a Rettungsgasse being formed once, on the A3 at Würzburg, due to roadworks on the shoulder. I have never been stuck in traffic in Slovenia, have been at all other countries, and never saw a Rettungsgasse there. Poor attempts on the A12 Inntal Autobahn is the closest thing I saw... In any case, Austrians like to do things a little different, because it is silly and a waste of time and money. Congestion is very little in Austria, and mostly volume of traffic related. It should take a look at how countries where real congestions are and how they tackle the problem, and spend some money in changing road signs.
And you're just denying a scientific fact (rescue forces are about 4 minutes faster at the accident site) by calling the act silly. Pretty unreflective.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #2063
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How the **** can you call it a fact, when the majority of motorists in Austria stuck in traffic (foreigners) are not even aware about this ridiculous Rettungsgasse scheme, blocking the path from emergency services anyway, when they can be 10 times quicker using the hard shoulder, like in any other civilized country... That is no scientific fact, there is no scientific fact, because even the ASFINAG is admitting that the scheme is not really working as much as they wanted it to work.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #2064
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Old June 11th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #2065
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BTW: Rettungsgasse is used in Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Czech Republic and Slovenia. So most countries surrounding Austria are already familiar with it.
We don't use shoulders though, just driving lanes (you move to the side).
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Old June 11th, 2012, 10:25 PM   #2066
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Again. You can't tell what's the reason for the congestion. Could be a horrible accident or too much traffic.
how about telling the motorists if its an accident or a jam on a good old electronic motorway sign? you got plenty of them in highly populated areas, and still way enough on outlying sections to inform us what happened...

but wait a second, actually this is what happens every day here in vienna: you got at least 4 big signs on every motorway, after nearly every intersection, every morning which reads either STAU or UNFALL. and still, if you dont want to brake the law you have to move to the side even when the signs show big and clearly: STAU. so, where in gods name is the sense in this?

even a rettungsgasse between the outer lane and the actual hard shoulder would make more sense than this -but again, only when there was an accident.

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Old June 12th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #2067
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We don't use shoulders though, just driving lanes (you move to the side).
Neither do you in Germany or Austria (at least according to the law). The hard shoulder is strictly reserved for broken vehicles in a jam, too.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #2068
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In the Austrian Rettungsgasse scheme, motorists are required to straddle the hard shoulder.



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Old June 13th, 2012, 12:33 AM   #2069
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Does anyone know, what is procedure if there is long vehicle broken down on hard shoulder, or two? How do they move to the right in that situation?
What is procedure if your vehicle has broken down on one traffic lane in front of a tunnel?

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Old June 14th, 2012, 04:18 PM   #2070
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1: By merging, and it would complicate things even more.

2: Rescue would probably have to come from the other side, and the people behind you will be very annoyed.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #2071
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Does anyone know, what is procedure if there is long vehicle broken down on hard shoulder, or two? How do they move to the right in that situation?
It happened to me in Germany, during a crazy snowstorm, on A8 München-Rosenheim. A truck couldn't climb a modest ascent in the motorway, slipped an crashed onto the shoulder. Behind it we queued for an hour and the Rettungsgasse formed, I had no idea but just followed others.

The truck was across the motorway, from shoulder to lane two, so only lane three was opened. Those who moved to the shoulder for the Rettungsgasse had to move back to the third lane in order to pass, adding mahyem to mahyem. It seemed absurd to me then, and it still does.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 01:21 PM   #2072
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A14 Pfändertunnel

The second tube of the Pfänder Tunnel near Bregenz was inaugurated today. Traffic will flow through the new tube tonight. The new tube is 6.6 kilometers long and cost € 205 million. Full capacity will be available in 2013, when the old tube finishes its renovation.

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* Length = 6.774,4 m
* TBM = 6.585,9 m
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* Moved earth and rock: 790.000 m³.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #2073
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About time!!!
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Old June 25th, 2012, 04:40 PM   #2074
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I wonder why there is no direct interchange (with customs) between Austrian A14 and Swiss A13...

It would be just a few km of plain land and one bridge...
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Old June 25th, 2012, 04:49 PM   #2075
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Because environmentalist have found that this part is probably environmentally richest part of the world dwarfing Serengeti and Kruger national parks in Africa as incomparable.
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Official reason: environment. Real reason? Incapable politicians unknown with the concept of "mitigation".
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Old June 25th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #2077
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I cross the border there regularly and switch motorways, it never really bothered me. It's always relatively quiet at that border.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #2078
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There are, however, peak days when you can easily loose 2 hours between the Swiss and the German border (going through Bregenz though).
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Old June 25th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #2079
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Why would you want to go through Bregenz? When I am coming from the Chur side I go through Liechtenstein at times. It's a nice change of pace. When I'm going towards St Gallen, I use Hohehems. It's only a few minutes from motorway to motorway.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #2080
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There are, however, peak days when you can easily loose 2 hours between the Swiss and the German border (going through Bregenz though).
Some people do not pay for the vignette (toll sticker) and save the money for them. Until Hohenems they can have the Korridorvignette for 2€ (one direction) or for 4€ (both directions). I do not unterstand it . The Korridorvignette is 24h valid.
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Last year when I come from the Pfänder there was a traffic jam at Bregenz. I lost 15min time.
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