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Old July 24th, 2012, 07:33 AM   #2201
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it should go trough Italy. Drava valley, in Dobbiaco it would have junction with Autostrada d'Alemagna, and then join Brenner motorway.
It took me over two hours to get from Bruneck to the A22 last Saturday due to congestion.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #2202
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It took me over two hours to get from Bruneck to the A22 last Saturday due to congestion.
Brunico, it's Italy

Anyway, I never heard of a plan of a motorway to Austria from A22 to Lienz through Val Pusteria and Dobbiaco. In the 60s they planned the Venice - Munich but later they decided to build the A22 and the A23.

The Salzburg - Innsbruck link is now useless after Schengen agreement, the route through Germany is fast. There are other similar situations in Europe, such driving from Cuneo to Ventimiglia across France or from Cividale to Tarvisio through Slovenia.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #2203
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Bruneck, its Sudtirol.

There are more countries, where it is quicker to run through another country to get back to your own. Several routes from Holland into Germany, back into Holland for example. And if you want to travel from Metz in France to Calais, it takes just as long to drive through Luxembourg and Belgium, and back into France at Lille, but cheaper as there are no tolls.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #2204
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Bruneck, its Sudtirol.
Brunico-Bruneck, it's Alto Adige-Südtirol.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #2205
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Local roadsigns gives the German version first. But who cares, its Italy all the same, even though citizens can soon decide to become Austrian as well.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 02:39 PM   #2206
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speaking of Bischofshofen...

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Old July 24th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #2207
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The Salzburg - Innsbruck link is now useless after Schengen agreement, the route through Germany is fast.
Not Salzburg - Innsbruck, but Villach - Innsbruck.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #2208
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Not Salzburg - Innsbruck, but Villach - Innsbruck.
In my opinion, the most realistic (of all the not very realistic) options to speed up Villach - Innsbruck would be to speed up Wörgl - Bischofshofen and make maximum use of the A10 and A12.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #2209
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I would rather see additional bypasses on B100 road with mostly important Lienz bypass and a tunnel under Thurn or Gerloss pass. Motorway is not needed. That would be enough cheap and still effective.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #2210
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Are Italians planning to connect A22 and A23 for an example via Tolmezzo-Bolzano?
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Old July 24th, 2012, 10:09 PM   #2211
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Are Italians planning to connect A22 and A23 for an example via Tolmezzo-Bolzano?
No, it was never planned a such project. Just A27 and A23, but I doubt it will ever realized. A more realistic undergoing plan is connecting A28 and A23.
If we are lucky, we'll see the A31 towards Trento in the next 20-30 years.
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That means basically no east-west motorway between Serenissima A4 and German A8
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That means basically no east-west motorway between Serenissima A4 and German A8
It's U/C the motorway-like road between the A31 and A28 parallel to A4 (Pedemontana Veneta).
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Old July 25th, 2012, 02:48 PM   #2214
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That means basically no east-west motorway between Serenissima A4 and German A8
Yes. Actually, there're the Alps there.
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 07:13 PM   #2215
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Hello guys. I was wondering is an extension of S31 planned to A4?
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 08:49 PM   #2216
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Hello guys. I was wondering is an extension of S31 planned to A4?
Not any more. It was the original plan in the 70s, but has long been scrubbed. The AADT between Eisenstadt-Ost and Winden is just 10,000 to 12,000 vehicles/24 hrs, thus an extension is not really necessary (http://www.burgenland.at/media/file/...er_Verkehr.pdf).
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Thank you for reply.

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The AADT between Eisenstadt-Ost and Winden is just 10,000 to 12,000 vehicles/24 hrs
In Sweden that would be near to yes.

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an extension is not really necessary
If there would be an extension, A2, S1 and A4 would be less congested. People who travel from Slovakia to south Austria and reverse wouldn't use them.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 01:23 AM   #2218
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Not any more. It was the original plan in the 70s, but has long been scrubbed. The AADT between Eisenstadt-Ost and Winden is just 10,000 to 12,000 vehicles/24 hrs, thus an extension is not really necessary .
I thought that it could be shortcut for me and many other slovak people and it could help to reduce traffic on A4, S1 and A2. I use that shortcut despite the fact, that i need to go 25km through some villages.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 01:35 AM   #2219
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Extending the S31 to the A4 (or even a bit further to the A6) as a replacement for (or enhancement to) route 50 seems to me like a good way to relieve congestion near Vienna.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 02:31 AM   #2220
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I used that link last week and it was no big problem for 30km, just like a usual road overloaded (best known in Germany) with trucks doing 70kmh.
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