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Old August 3rd, 2012, 06:18 AM   #2221
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The AADT between Eisenstadt-Ost and Winden is just 10,000 to 12,000 vehicles/24 hrs....
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I used that link last week and it was no big problem for 30km, just like a usual road overloaded ... with trucks doing 70kmh.
We could better consider the wisdom of extending (or not extending) the S31 if we knew how many of the AADT are trucks.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 12:58 PM   #2222
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We could better consider the wisdom of extending (or not extending) the S31 if we knew how many of the AADT are trucks.
Close to none as trucks are prohibited from driving there (http://bglv1.orf.at/stories/110324).
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Old August 5th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #2223
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Autobahn A13

Hello guys,

I have a question about Autobahn A13.

I plan to enter Austria by road no. 2 near Scharnitz. Than I'll go, avoiding
Autobahns, through Zirl, to A13 highway approach Innsbruck Sud and go to
Italy by A13.

Now's the question: Can I - in that situation - drive A13 from Innsbruck Sud to Italy WITHOUT Vignette and pay only the A13 special payment?

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Old August 5th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #2224
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Yes, you can.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 08:51 AM   #2225
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Yes, you can.
Are you sure ?
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Old August 6th, 2012, 09:08 AM   #2226
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Hello guys,

I have a question about Autobahn A13.

I plan to enter Austria by road no. 2 near Scharnitz. Than I'll go, avoiding
Autobahns, through Zirl, to A13 highway approach Innsbruck Sud and go to
Italy by A13.

Now's the question: Can I - in that situation - drive A13 from Innsbruck Sud to Italy WITHOUT Vignette and pay only the A13 special payment?

Cheers,
M.S
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Are you sure ?
Yes, it's true. I've done this many times.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #2227
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really? so A13 doesn't require vignette?
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Old August 6th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #2228
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yes, at least from Innsbruck-Süd to Brenner.

It's the same for any motorway section that has seperate tolls.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #2229
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really? so A13 doesn't require vignette?
Exactly. There are many signs on Austrian motorways explaining this.
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that makes sense. i haven't realized that most of the local exits have toll booths, too. you can travel only between some minor exits for free, that probably doesn't impact incomes of tolls.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #2231
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In Italy it is already signposted that vignette is obligatory from exit Innsbruck Süd. Coming from German you travel vignette free until Kufstein Süd.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #2232
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A13

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Old August 19th, 2012, 12:13 AM   #2233
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Is the A12 Innsbruck-Kufstein often limited to 100kmh?
We drove from around 20:00 and the limit was frustrating, can't compare it to what was on A8 in Germany.
Traffic wasn't heavy, is it noise related?
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Old August 19th, 2012, 07:59 AM   #2234
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It's polluting-related. They say that driving at max. 100 km/h is protecting the environment...

I drove there 2 times and both of the times was the limit 100 km/h (one time there was quite some congestion, but the second time there were very few cars).
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They have a smog meter, and when it goes beyond a certain level they put in the 100 kph limits. Between 10pm and 5am it's 110 at all times.
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I'd love to see an evaluation of the IG-L measures. Because smog is not caused by direct emissions from traffic, but due to meteorological circumstances, so lowering the traffic speed will likely not have a substantial effect on local air quality, especially considering truck traffic is not affected by the lower speed limit.
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last winter when i travelled from Wien most of Wiener Neustadt - Graz section had IG-L limit. that was really irritating.
btw, I haven't noticed that the trucks drove 60 km/h on A10 during the night when I was there. I mean, who would do it?!
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I'd love to see an evaluation of the IG-L measures. Because smog is not caused by direct emissions from traffic, but due to meteorological circumstances, so lowering the traffic speed will likely not have a substantial effect on local air quality, especially considering truck traffic is not affected by the lower speed limit.
Right, the only really effective way to reduce vehicular emissions is to replace older dirtier vehicles with newer cleaner vehicles. Trying to change driving habits will never have a significant effect.

The Austrian government is hypocritical about pollution. They ban nuclear power plants and then import electricity produced by extremely dirty coal-fired power plants, the emissions from which kill thousands of people every year.
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btw, I haven't noticed that the trucks drove 60 km/h on A10 during the night when I was there. I mean, who would do it?!
Lärmschutz (noise protection). Officially the German truck speed limit on non-motorways is also 60 km/h, but I've read it's not really enforced.

Because of the low traffic volumes and relatively silent valleys, trucks are highly noisy at night compared to regular circumstances with more background noise.

In terms of noise protection, by far the highest priority should go to truck engines, where tire noise becomes dominant above 50 km/h with cars, truck engines still dominate at 80 - 90 km/h, which means silent pavement and lower speed limits are not really effective because trucks dominate the overall noise emissions.
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I'd love to see an evaluation of the IG-L measures. Because smog is not caused by direct emissions from traffic, but due to meteorological circumstances, so lowering the traffic speed will likely not have a substantial effect on local air quality, especially considering truck traffic is not affected by the lower speed limit.
There has been a debate about lowering the speed limits on the A12 all together, and banning even more freight vehicles out of environmental reasons. The European Union has put an end to this debate, and now the Tyrolians are sulking that according to the EU the economy is more important than clean air and good health.
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