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Old September 25th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #2401
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I did not.
It IS the case
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Old September 28th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #2402
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Guess what happened here. The A12 is closed due to an anti-transit traffic protest. The result? All villages nearby are choked with traffic. Traffic that normally passes the area in 2 minutes now has to burn fuel for 60 minutes or more for a few kilometers on residential streets. Way to go! I can't believe ASFiNAG actually allows this to happen, they announced the motorway closure a couple of days ago, so it's not an impromptu event.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 04:42 PM   #2403
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It's not the Asfinag who has to allow this but the county administration.

Of course it does not make much sense to block the motorway it is still a democratic right to demonstrate.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #2404
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Of course people are allowed to demonstrate, but closing an important motorway on the busiest day of the week for the whole day is ridiculous.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #2405
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But is not a serious problems if that happens once in a time. What was the last block for the same protest? 20 years ago? Or maybe never...
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Old September 28th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #2406
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There are other ways to protest. For example at the local city hall, from an overpass, or maybe on a Sunday on the motorway for a few hours. Blocking the motorway on the busiest day of the week clearly has no other intention then to paralyze traffic as much as possible. Especially because there are no alternate routes in this area other than through villages.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #2407
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It's not only road users to have rights - if this kind blocks happened once every week then I would complain, but it happened only there and only for one day. As for protesting on city halls...it would be pointless. It's like for strikes, railway or airlines employees go on strike on the busiest days, and that's normal, because they want to be heard.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 06:29 PM   #2408
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But what do they want? To close the motorway permanently? That's unrealistic.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #2409
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What was the goal of the protest? I mean, what to the protesters want as an end result?
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Old September 28th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #2410
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Reducing traffic or, if there isn't one already, probably also a night traffic ban (for trucks at least).
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Old September 28th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #2411
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On the Autobahn or on the local roads?
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Old September 28th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #2412
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On the Autobahn or on the local roads?
Both.

There have been restrictions for trucks that were rejected from EU court, so it's clear that if they want to reach their goals it has to 'hurt', everything else wouldn't help at all.
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Basically go back to the 1930s.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #2414
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Why should not letting trucks pass during the night should be 1930ies like?
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Would locals be banned from driving as well?
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Old September 28th, 2012, 07:09 PM   #2416
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Ausgenommen Ziel- und Quellverkehr

of course it would be for transit.
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They act like transit traffic is exclusively an issue in Tirol. However, everything they buy in shops, supermarkets, all utilities like power, roads, railroads, sewage systems, waste managements, etc are all done by trucking. What these protesters buy in the supermarket may very well be "transited" through a German or French town at some point.

Transit traffic is a fact of life and without it the economy stops. Get over it. We don't live in a pre-industrial era anymore where villages and towns were entirely self-sufficient in their needs.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #2418
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of course it would be for transit.
How would they control that? Or it's just about trucks?
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Old September 28th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #2419
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How would they control that? Or it's just about trucks?
it's just for trucks
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Old September 28th, 2012, 09:00 PM   #2420
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They act like transit traffic is exclusively an issue in Tirol. However, everything they buy in shops, supermarkets, all utilities like power, roads, railroads, sewage systems, waste managements, etc are all done by trucking. What these protesters buy in the supermarket may very well be "transited" through a German or French town at some point.

Transit traffic is a fact of life and without it the economy stops. Get over it. We don't live in a pre-industrial era anymore where villages and towns were entirely self-sufficient in their needs.
I never said that transit is not necessary. It is definitely.

Anyway as there has been such a regulation already that didn't allow trucks to use A12 I highly doubt that it would be a reason for an economical collapse. By the way, goods can be transported by train, too, especially on that route. There is a parallel (and not too bad) railway all the way from Munich to Verona.

They wanted to set a sign that they aren't satisfied with the situation and they do have the right to say it in the way they want.
And it is not only the right of the peole in Tyrol but in every democratic country.
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