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Old April 30th, 2013, 05:38 PM   #2861
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Enjoy the existing driving videos from Austria, recording new ones could be very, very costly!
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #2862
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As I could understand, it concerns only cars that have installed video equipment that films permanently.

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Permanente Aufzeichnungen aus dem Auto ist Videoüberwachung
They say that permanent videotaping (this could require a rig to fasten the camera), is considered surveillance.
I do not think that Driving videos, with a camera held in the hands of the passenger could be considered surveillance.
Of course, I could be wrong.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #2863
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Enjoy the existing driving videos from Austria, recording new ones could be very, very costly!
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #2864
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WTF?? taking photos still ok?
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #2865
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Privacy obsession being raised to a whole new level...
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #2866
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Taking photos is IMHO OK, because it is not "permanent". But driving from Vienna to Linz on Westautobahn or driving over the Arlbergpass and record it isn't allowed anymore.
Google also has to blur licenseplates and faces on StreetView...
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #2867
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this is stupid. If you don't want to show up in public stay at home all the time.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #2868
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I can get 20,000 € for being filmed in Austria? Someone please do it.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #2869
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Yes, I agree. However, Austrian and German society don't agree. And unfortunately laws in these countries are based on their own societies' requests :-)
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Old April 30th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #2870
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I can get 20,000 € for being filmed in Austria? Someone please do it.
Of course not.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #2871
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Enjoy the existing driving videos from Austria, recording new ones could be very, very costly!


Just few weeks ago I bought myself a video camera camouflaged in the interior mirror to record all my trips (you never know when such a recording could be useful).

Anyway, I am not worried and I will continue to record my trips (including in Austria, like I did before). The website where was posted the article doesn't look as a very reliable source.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #2872
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This looks like a more reliable source though.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #2873
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Ok, but it is for real? Was the law approved? Or there are just discussions*.

*discussions = crazy guy made his stupid ideea public and now the newspapers have subject to debate
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Old April 30th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #2874
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I think a such crazy law was made to prevent some criminals to record movement of vehicles (especially vans that carry money and other valuable things) and to rob them after have studied their habits. I guess that cops would use the common sense and not to punish someone who, for example fims the Glossglockner Hochalpenstrasse, since it has a clear touristic purpose, but it's more difficult to claim that a 4 hours video on the boring A2 between Villach and Vienna has some touristic interest.
If the passenger carry the cam\phone in his hands it should be fine because they may say that they were recording their conversations or filming the landscape from the side window (without filming the road) and probably cops won't spend time to see the whole recording.
Or maybe Austrian laws are very paranoid about privacy. This could explain why it's the only Western European country not covered by Street View.
In some countries they get angry if you take pics\vids in airports, railway stations or shopping malls because of potential "safety risks", and this is not so much different to record a road trip.
Unfortunately in Western countries there is an ongoing trend to improve "security" by restricting freedom of everybody: DON'T sleep on the beach, DON'T entry the park at night, DON'T buy alchool at night even if you don't drive, DON'T take pics because you may be a criminal, DON'T bring a bottle of water on the plane or at a football match, DON'T leave children walking unaccompained from home to school, DON'T camp on the forest even if you don't damage anything, DON'T park in the supermarket parking lot if you aren't a customer EVEN IF IT'S CLOSE, and so on...
Ironically, in other countries (most notably Russia) people are not only allowed, but even encouraged to film their road travels, to have a proof in case of accident.

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Old May 1st, 2013, 01:12 AM   #2875
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Of course not.
What about this from the first link?
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Unerwünscht gefilmte Personen könnten noch dazu zivilrechtlichen Schadenersatz bis zu 20.000 Euro beanspruchen.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 01:18 AM   #2876
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This figure is just beyond anything. You'll never get such compensation for being filmed against your will.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 01:42 AM   #2877
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Then you can also ban filming at concerts, football matches, discos, restaurants, parties, monuments, squares, and everywhere outside private homes. Nonsense. When you're outside your home you accept that other people can see you and maybe photograph or film you. According to Italian law it's not even illegal to publish on the press\web\TV a pic or footage containing recognizable people recorded randomly in a public place. Let alone in amatorial vids not subjected to be broadcasted. Currently the only country where you cannot take pics\vids in public without authorization is North Korea.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 09:52 AM   #2878
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I think a such crazy law was made to prevent some criminals to record movement of vehicles (especially vans that carry money and other valuable things) and to rob them after have studied their habits.
It's like forbidding to eat food because someone may poison it
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Old May 1st, 2013, 10:03 AM   #2879
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I agree with @italystf. Handheld devices are not subject to this law, but permanently installed devices using rigs to hold them in place. Plus, I imagine, such devices have a power supply from the car battery.
So there are some conditions that have to be met, in order for the police to even consider fining you. As for private persons, who wish not to be filmed, this is valid only if there are concerns that the video will be broadcasted.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 11:03 AM   #2880
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I wonder if the European Court of human rights could overturn such a ban. I don't know about Austria, but in most, if not all European countries, people do have the right to film in public and in public places. Also a bit hypocritical of Austria, as here in Mayrhofen alone there are loads of webcams installed both in the village, as well as on the mountains. www.mayrhofen.at
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