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Old September 17th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #3181
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Not the Rettungsgassen I have seen
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #3182
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Not the Rettungsgassen I have seen
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #3183
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Basically, yes
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Old September 18th, 2013, 01:53 AM   #3184
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I certainly hope not. Emergency lane is there for a reason, no need to introduce a complex scheme everyone must follow to the letter, when there is already one when nobody has to do anything.
emergency lane is for stopping in a case of emergency not driving on it.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #3185
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emergency lane is for stopping in a case of emergency not driving on it.
And that is your opinion.
Emergency lane is for emergency vehicles. Easy-peasy.
For stopping in case of emergency in Italy we have emergency bays.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #3186
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And that is your opinion.
Emergency lane is for emergency vehicles. Easy-peasy.
For stopping in case of emergency in Italy we have emergency bays.
It is not my opinion it is law.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #3187
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It is not my opinion it is law.
In your country.
Not in mine.
I just expressed my hope that my country won't follow yours.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #3188
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I don't agree with the Rettungsgasse scheme, but the problem in Italy and also in France is that the hard shoulder is so narrow. Too narrow for emergency services, so the stationery traffic has to move one way or another, and how can you move stationary traffic that fast. In the UK, Netherlands, Belgium and loads of other countries the shoulder is wide enough. Even in Austria, so I don't know what they're trying to prove. The Rettungsgasse would have been far more applicable in France and Italy.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #3189
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Hard shoulder in Italy doesn't seem so narrow to me, but even if it is, a Rettungsgasse can form on the first lane, with all vehicles in that lane going slightly left therefore "widening" the hard shoulder. Sure is less complex moving 1 lane full of cars than two or more.

Every time I have been in a queue for an accident in Italy motorways, emergency vehicles arrived fast and without any problems (except for occasional morons trying to jump the queue in the emergency lane).
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Old September 18th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #3190
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They appear to be wider on 3x3 roads, but on the 2x2 not really that wide, and on a lot of stretches none at all due to tunnels etc. Think about the areas around Aosta, Brenner - Verona and Genua... And even on the A1 between Bologna and Florence the situation can get rather dangerous...
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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #3191
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Every time I have been in a queue for an accident in Italy motorways, emergency vehicles arrived fast and without any problems (except for occasional morons trying to jump the queue in the emergency lane).
This is your point of view, I am sure that statistic says different, otherwise they would not introduce Rettugsgasse. And as Road_UK already said it is not applicable everywhere .
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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #3192
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That's true, I don't like the fact that tunnels have no shoulder. I think in this cases a Rettungsgasse can form spontaneously, like in 2- or 3-lane urban roads...
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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #3193
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This is your point of view, I am sure that statistic says different, otherwise they would not introduce Rettugsgasse.
Maybe you're right, but ust because something is institutionalized, it doesn't mean it is better.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #3194
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Maybe you're right, but ust because something is institutionalized, it doesn't mean it is better.
Off course but I am sure that in this case it is.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #3195
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God save guys with granite-strong convictions!
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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #3196
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I saw it once in Slovenia... going uphill!

On Polish A4 is quite normal, but 99,99% odf drivers are from Ukraine and Lithuania(they are very crazy and dangerous - most of polish truckers hates them)
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #3197
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It is not conviction but empiric. Authorities have researched an issue a lot, before introducing the system. We have already mentioned the fact that there are so many bottleneck on motorways making emergency lane not appropriate for emergency vehicles.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #3198
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On Polish A4 is quite normal, but 99,99% odf drivers are from Ukraine and Lithuania(they are very crazy and dangerous - most of polish truckers hates them)
I'm sure that Polish lorry drivers are perfectly safe drivers
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:27 PM   #3199
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I'm sure that Polish lorry drivers are perfectly safe drivers

Of course not. We have lots of idiots here, but lithuanians have very bad reputation


Examples: (or just write in YT: litewski tir)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7aInxbFTGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9ezGqstFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewDcNK2cVj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8-OwJxopnQ

Sorry for OF.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #3200
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In your country.
In Germany too.
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