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Old November 22nd, 2013, 06:00 PM   #3221
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How are the weather conditions usually on the A9, from A8 to Slovenian border after Christmas (exact date is 28.12)?

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Old November 23rd, 2013, 11:45 AM   #3222
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How are the weather conditions usually on the A9, from A8 to Slovenian border after Christmas (exact date is 28.12)?
You can experience anything that time of the year, from heavy snowfall to sunshine with temperatures above zero. However, if on you're not traveling on a day with heavy snowfall, the road conditions should be OK. The winter service of Asfinag usually does a pretty good job.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 02:18 PM   #3223
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Asfinag is going to test a very interesting new feature, which will indicate whether the pavement is slippery or not.

It works with a special paint that is transparant when pavement temperatures are above zero (i.e. not visible) and turns blue when the pavement is below freezing. They paint the well-known "snowflake sign" on the pavement.

The first location is A2 near Graz.

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Old November 29th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #3224
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A12 Inntal Autobahn

Starting 1 December, there will be no exemption for drivers without a vignette on A12 to reach exit Kufstein-Süd. Drivers will need a vignette right from the border crossing, as is the case with all other border crossings.

The vignette can be purchased at many gas stations in Germany, as well as at the border crossing rest area.

So this sign will be removed:
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Old November 29th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #3225
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It has lead to lots of protests from communities on both sides of the border, as a lot of Germans only go as far as Kufstein for shopping, and other tourists using exit Kufstein Süd to reach the resorts of Kitzbühel, St Johann, Zell am See and the areas beyond the Felbertauern. Saturday's in the winter the exit Kufstein Süd is subjected to long delays. Now these people will probably get off at Kiefersfelden and cut across through the town of Kufstein to get to their destinations.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #3226
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Here is why relying on routes via Germany instead of building own motorways is tricky

Austria's Bures Opposes German Motorway Toll

Austria's Transport Minister Doris Bures has warned that Austria will vehemently oppose any plans by Germany to introduce a motorway car toll with an exemption purely for German motorists.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 03:02 PM   #3227
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Here is why relying on routes via Germany instead of building own motorways is tricky

Austria's Bures Opposes German Motorway Toll

Austria's Transport Minister Doris Bures has warned that Austria will vehemently oppose any plans by Germany to introduce a motorway car toll with an exemption purely for German motorists.
So what. A German in Austria needs to buy a vignette. Similarily, an Austrian in Germany will have to buy one - if they manage to make that toll law E.U. compliant, which I am not so sure of. There is still the possibility of going via B311 -> B164 -> B178 at the expense of about one hour of driving time.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 03:46 PM   #3228
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So what. A German in Austria needs to buy a vignette. Similarily, an Austrian in Germany will have to buy one - if they manage to make that toll law E.U. compliant, which I am not so sure of. There is still the possibility of going via B311 -> B164 -> B178 at the expense of about one hour of driving time.
I don't understand too why should Austria do any offsets.
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A Toll with compensation via car-tax as our beloved leader minister president Seehofer wants it, will most propably not be allowed by the EU. I am though totally for a toll on Autobahns and don't think it would be very hurting to buy a vignette for 100€ once a year. (might still make some commuters consider taking the train instead)
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Old December 1st, 2013, 08:56 PM   #3230
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They're already arguing about that on the Germany thread. Been at it for days.
I'll bring the popcorn.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 09:58 PM   #3231
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Ridiculous. Germany is an independent country and as such makes its laws as its people sees fit. (Or at least, this is how it should be in a democracy...)

And if Austria has a problem with this, then Austria of course is free to build a motorway on its own area to connect Innsbruck and Salzburg.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 10:27 PM   #3232
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Germany is an independent country ....
No, Germany (along with 27 other member states) has incrementally surrendered most of its sovereignty to the European Union through a series of treaties (most recently the Treaty of Lisbon). The EU (more or less democratically) enacts laws and the 28 member states must comply -- or quit the EU.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 10:50 PM   #3233
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No, Germany (along with 27 other member states) has incrementally surrendered most of its sovereignty to the European Union through a series of treaties (most recently the Treaty of Lisbon). The EU (more or less democratically) enacts laws and the 28 member states must comply -- or quit the EU.
Well, not all sovereignity, only parts of it.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 11:34 PM   #3234
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No, Germany (along with 27 other member states) has incrementally surrendered most of its sovereignty to the European Union through a series of treaties (most recently the Treaty of Lisbon). The EU (more or less democratically) enacts laws and the 28 member states must comply -- or quit the EU.
Exactly. Each member country has the right to quit, and in this sense, they are all independent.

Germany, however, is such an important member, that others wouldn't want it to quit - they'd rather simply have the rules changed.
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Exactly. Each member country has the right to quit, and in this sense, they are all independent.

Germany, however, is such an important member, that others wouldn't want it to quit - they'd rather simply have the rules changed.
Let me get this straight: some countries have to obey all the stupid EU rules in full range, while others, self-proclaimed as "important", create their own rules, the rest of EU should adapt to.

Brilliant idea of EU indeed.
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and don't think it would be very hurting to buy a vignette for 100€ once a year
It would be for Czechs who use the autobahn twice a year, to go to the seaside and to go back. It's too much.

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Ridiculous. Germany is an independent country and as such makes its laws as its people sees fit. (Or at least, this is how it should be in a democracy...)
It's not so simple, countries that joined the EU transferred a part of their sovereignty. The European Union has some of it's basic laws based on the principle of non-discrimination. So whatever applies to German citizens in Germany, it has to apply to Austrian citizens as well. And Germany is the member state of the EU that ratified these laws, while Germany is undoubtedly independent it is not 100% sovereign and can't do whatever it wants. Concessions to these rules don't exist (although every country has something that it would love to have an opt-out about, Britain wants to be special about the freedom of movement, Hungary wants to be special about land ownership, Germany wants to be special about toll, Spain wants to be special about land tax but in total none of this will ever happen).
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Let me get this straight: some countries have to obey all the stupid EU rules in full range, while others, self-proclaimed as "important", create their own rules, the rest of EU should adapt to.

Brilliant idea of EU indeed.
This is no place for semi-intelligent populism. Go to one of the Skybars or DLM, if you want to argue at such a level.
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 02:06 AM   #3238
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...The European Union has some of it's basic laws based on the principle of non-discrimination. So whatever applies to German citizens in Germany, it has to apply to Austrian citizens as well...
Situation at the moment is that everybody can drive for free on German roads except Germans who have to pay a road tax.

Is this discrimination or not?
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Situation at the moment is that everybody can drive for free on German roads except Germans who have to pay a road tax.

Is this discrimination or not?
Is this based on citizenship or residence? If only residents of Germany are taxed, regardless of citizenship, then that's legal. However, if only German citizens are taxed, regardless of residency, then that's illegal discrimination.
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 03:38 AM   #3240
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Situation at the moment is that everybody can drive for free on German roads except Germans who have to pay a road tax.
There is no such thing as a road tax in Germany. What most of us do pay are a vehicle tax and taxes on fuel among many other taxes and duties.
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