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Old March 4th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #3321
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Hi, I am coming from Slovenia to Villach through Karawanken tunnel. Is it possible to take the first exit after the tunnel (Sankt jakob in Rosental) and then use local roads to avoid paying Austrian vignette or I must have a vignette even for that small section between the tunnel and the first exit?
No, you don't need the vignette.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 04:54 PM   #3322
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No, you don't need the vignette.
According to what they say here, you need the vignette (only the southbound carriageway is vignette-free)

But maybe I understood it wrong

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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:16 PM   #3323
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According to what they say here, you need the vignette (only the southbound carriageway is vignette-free)

But maybe I understood it wrong
That must be error since you have to pay for the tunnel in both directions.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #3324
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That must be error since you have to pay for the tunnel in both directions.
I was talking about the vignette. I understood that the ticket for the tunnel is due in both direction, but the vignette is needed only in the northbound carriageway...
I read the same thing in ACI (Italian Automobile Club) website...
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:29 PM   #3325
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I was talking about the vignette.
I know; what I meant was that since you have to pay extra for the tunnel in both directions, it doesn't make sense to need a vignette as well (for either direction).
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:34 PM   #3326
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Maybe some pictures will help. I shot them myself in 2011, while traveling from Ljubljana (Slovenia) to Villach (Austria).

Just before the Karawanken tunnel toll plaza there's a sign for Austrian vignette purchase from the parking lot:



At the Karawanken tunnel toll plaza, on the Slovenian side, you have this signs:



After the tunnel:



First exit after the tunnel:


If no vignette was needed I believe that together with this sign should have come another sign saying that you need vignette to keep driving on the motorway, but you don't need one if you exit here.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:05 PM   #3327
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Just negligent signage, if you ask me. I wouldn't be surprised, if it were the same on the Slovenian side. And those signs with vignettes just mean you can buy them there, since you can't buy them between the tunnel and the first exit. The two identical signs after the tunnel just tell you general information.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #3328
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Die Sondermautstrecke befindet sich zwischen der Anschlussstelle St. Jakob im Rosental und der Staatsgrenze im Karawankentunnel.
http://www.asfinag.at/maut/sonder-und-videomaut

According to ASFINAG Sondermaut (toll) is due on the Border - Exit St. Jabob stretch, meaning no Vignette is required till the first exit.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 12:09 AM   #3329
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Well now I am totally confused. According to this map only one lane is considered Sondermaut and it's the south bound one. I sent ASFINAG an E-Mail and will let you guys know what's the deal as soon as I receive an answer.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 03:40 AM   #3330
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Well now I am totally confused. According to this map only one lane is considered Sondermaut and it's the south bound one.
That's because going north you pay in Slovenia, not Austria. That's not a good-enough reason to require a vignette though. You don't need a Slovenian vignette until the first exit in either direction.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 04:13 PM   #3331
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You definitely do not need a vignette between the Karawankentunnel border and St. Jakob.

The Asfinag toll regulations say:
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Nachfolgende Autobahn- und Schnellstraßenabschnitte (Strecken) sind gemäß § 10 Abs. 2 BStMG von der Entrichtung einer zeitabhängigen Maut ausgenommen (siehe dazu Mautordnung Teil A II):
• A 9 Pyhrn Autobahn in den Abschnitten zwischen der Anschlussstelle Spital/Pyhrn und der Anschlussstelle Ardning und zwischen der Anschlussstelle St. Michael und Übelbach
• A 10 Tauern Autobahn im Abschnitt zwischen der Anschlussstelle Flachau und der Anschlussstelle Rennweg
• A 11 Karawanken Autobahn im Abschnitt zwischen der Anschlussstelle St. Jakob im Rosental und der Staatsgrenze im Karawankentunnel
• A 13 Brenner Autobahn
• S 16 Arlberg Schnellstraße im Abschnitt zwischen der Anschlussstelle St. Anton und der Anschlussstelle Langen
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The following motorway and expressway sections are exempt from the vignette requirement according to § 10 (2) of the Federal Highway Toll Act (cf toll regulations section A II):
• A 9 Pyhrn motorway between exits Spital/Pyhrn and Ardning as well as between exits St. Michael und Übelbach
• A 10 Tauern motorway between exits Flachau and Rennweg
• A 11 Karawanken Autobahn motorway between exit St. Jakob im Rosental and the border inside Karawankentunnel
• A 13 Brenner motorway
• S 16 Arlberg expressway between exits St. Anton and Langen
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #3332
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Sehr geehrter Herr xxxx,

vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage.

Auf der A11 Karawanken Autobahn besteht im Abschnitt zwischen der Anschlussstelle St. Jakob im Rosenthal und der
Staatsgrenze im Karawankentunnel und umgekehrt keine Vignettenpflicht. Für diesen Bereich ist nur die Sondermaut in
Höhe von 7 Euro für die Einzelfahrt zu bezahlen.

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No Vignette needed anywhere between border and St. Jakob.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #3333
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How many people would actually drive these routes while avoiding the vignette? It's hugely time-consuming to avoid the vignette-strecken.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #3334
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^people whose destination is Villach
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Hi, I am coming from Slovenia to Villach through Karawanken tunnel.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #3335
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How many people would actually drive these routes while avoiding the vignette? It's hugely time-consuming to avoid the vignette-strecken.
It makes sense, if you're going to Villach or Velden am Wörthersee (tourist town). I did it once. In Slovenia it makes a lot of sense, if you're only going to Bled or Bohinj, especially since our vignettes are more expensive.

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Old March 6th, 2014, 09:39 AM   #3336
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How many people would actually drive these routes while avoiding the vignette? It's hugely time-consuming to avoid the vignette-strecken.
Going from Italy to Munich, in Austria I always drive B182 instead of A13 and B171 instead of A12, up to Zirl where I take B177/E533, so I spare Vignette and Sondermaut
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what is the time difference for that?
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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:52 AM   #3338
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what is the time difference for that?
Not much. Going via E533 instead of Inntal Autobahn is shorter, so time is more or less the same (München-Innsbruck). Crossing Innsbruck and driving B182 instead of A13 leads to delay, but apart from the very first km (up until Europa bridge) the rest of the road is quite fast. Brenner-Munich total delay can be half hour, maybe one hour if there's traffic.
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My personal opinion is that for Italy > Munchen route it's better to drive on A13 (Brenner Autobahn) and then take B177. This way you pay only the A13 toll, but you don't need the Austrian vignette.
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You're right, but to me the A13 Sondermaut is outrageously expensive. Frequent users can get a discount by using videomaut, if I'm not mistaken.
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