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Old August 4th, 2014, 02:47 PM   #3481
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Past 5 years, I drove on holidays on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays and the roads were literally empty.
Presumably around Vienna? Most popular routes in holiday time is A12 and A13 in Tyrol, A14 im Vorarlberg and the A10 towards Italy and Croatia.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #3482
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Many people insist on driving towards their holiday on Saturdays like a cattle of sheep.

However, I can't really care about that, it's their own choice, which leaves others with less busy roads during the week.

I followed TomTom traffic and it appears that in Germany the Friday afternoons are worse than Saturday mornings. Friday afternoon means congestion everywhere, while on Saturdays it is limited to some severe congestion on A8/A9 around München, but otherwise doable.

Congestion has been greatly reduced in Austria by twinning the tunnels, but sometimes there is still Blockabfertigung if traffic gets really dense.

The best is simply to avoid traveling long distances on Friday afternoons and Saturday mornings in July and early August. Even if there is no actual congestion, the dense traffic can be very tiring. No congestion doesn't mean you have low traffic on those days.
The main problem is that several hotels, apartments and campings accept reservation only from Saturday to Saturday.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 03:21 PM   #3483
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That's the thing here in the winter. Saturday is change-over day, when the roads are jammed coming in and going out. Same in the summer, but tourists seem to manage to spread it out a bit better.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #3484
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I very rarely spend an entire vacation in one place. So it's important to find flexible accommodations. I always try to book then in advance, and until now, never had a problem not to find something...
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #3485
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In Serbia the biggest number of vehicles is in Friday and Saturday
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Old August 5th, 2014, 12:29 PM   #3486
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They are talking about pollution of cars in mountainous valleys in the Switzerland thread now. When the CO2 levels are high in the Inn-valley in Tyrol on the A12 they drop the speed limit from 130 to 100, also known as the IG-L 100. They are about to make this 100 speed limit a permanent one between Kufstein and Innsbruck. Will it really make a difference?
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:48 PM   #3487
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Of course it will, as cars run more efficiently at 100 km/h. Will be hard to measure though, since environmental circumstances are never the same.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:55 PM   #3488
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It won't have much impact. A large share of motorway emissions is coming from trucks, which are unaffected by the measure, and valley pollution is chiefly a result of atmospheric inversion, which is also unaffected by this measure. Furthermore not all car traffic would have otherwise driven 130 km/h, so the reduction is not as large as it may look.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 05:29 PM   #3489
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On A10 in near Salzburg IG-L is active for 95% of the time
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Old August 5th, 2014, 07:30 PM   #3490
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It won't have much impact. A large share of motorway emissions is coming from trucks, which are unaffected by the measure, and valley pollution is chiefly a result of atmospheric inversion, which is also unaffected by this measure..
I don't think you are right with this statement. A modern truck like a Mercedes Actros will use about 35 l/100 km. Cars range between 4 l/100 km and 8 l/100 km. There are about 15% trucks on A12 IIRC, so the emissions will be split about evenly between cars and trucks.
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CO2 emissions are related to fuel consumption. However, CO2 emissions do nothing for the local air quality. Trucks have a major share in nitrogen and fine particulate emissions from highway traffic that is a component of air pollution.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #3492
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I do believe that ASFINAG or local law enforcement will do anything to keep the revenues coming. The A12 is a fine example with their IG-L 100 which is a complete drain when traveling a longer distance. So is the 110 limit for PKW and 60 limit for LKW between 22:00 and 05:00. This is due to noise reduction, even though the A12 is virtually surrounded by anti-noise walls.
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CO2 emissions are related to fuel consumption. However, CO2 emissions do nothing for the local air quality. Trucks have a major share in nitrogen and fine particulate emissions from highway traffic that is a component of air pollution.
Up to now. But that will change once the Euro 6 norm becomes more wide-spread, as the admissible NOx emissions go down much more for trucks than they do for passenger cars.
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Is it allowed for trucks to use A13 at night ?
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Yes.
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Yes.
Although tolls double between 2200 and 0500 hours.
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The toll rate on A13 is € 118 for a typical truck at night. That is € 3.37 per kilometer, over 15 times the regular German toll rate for trucks.
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Privacy laws and highway filming in Austria

I have a question: what has been the actual practical provisions under interpretation of the privacy laws in Austria, concerning road filming?

Let's assume only non-urban roads (instead of city streets)

1) Is it legal to have a recording dash-cam?

2) Is it legal to broadcast a road movie taken from the dash cam? Are there restrictions - like having to blur license plates of other cars?

3) Is it legal for a car passenger to take pictures from inside the car?
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Old August 6th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #3499
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Video surveillance (a dashcam is nothing else) on public spaces requires a permit from the data protection commission and you need a rather strong case why this is necessary. There might be an accident is no valid reason and neither is I like making driving videos. Therefore these videos are illegal under the current legal practice. This could easily change though as there has only be one case so far, which did not even end up at court.

Taking pictures is something else. These normally fall under the freedom of panorama regime.

This was the case: https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokument.w...02_DVR_2012_00
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Old August 6th, 2014, 07:57 PM   #3500
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I consider this censorship. Almost everywhere else everyone is allowed to film on public roads because well... It's public. There is no privacy in public. Austria is a funny country like that.
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