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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:41 PM   #3521
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Agree to disagree. I prefer to be safe, than "free" (whatever this last word means). And surveillance for me, abiding the law, doesn't change a bit my life.
But what means safety for you? All totalitarian governments have the same excuse in the name of security. And then you have NSA who controls everything just because some ppl want to be "safe"
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He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:47 PM   #3522
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This reaction against CCTV in public places (like streets, plazas, the panel of a car) is just hysteria. If one doesn't want to be in a position to be tracked, one would have, for a starter, not to use a cell phone (the best "personal position tracking device" ever), deal with financial affairs only in cash, and go to extreme lengths to conceal location when using Internet.
Actually I know people that only pay in cash, always use proxies when browsing the Internet, don't have a Facebook account because of tracking.

Some are very paranoid about privacy (Streetview), but do have a smartphone and Facebook, but say they can choose for themselves what to upload there and configure Facebook to behave like they want-

I even heard some that turn their phone off and only use it when they want to call someone.

From a colleague I heard that her father won't upgrade the Internet connection at home (which is very slow), because of fear of the NSA.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:47 PM   #3523
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But what means safety for you? All totalitarian governments have the same excuse in the name of security. And then you have NSA who controls everything just because some ppl want to be "safe"
So what? Let them control: they are police, they HAVE to control. Otherwise we would just have to wait for a crime, then cry and call the police.

I abide the law and have nothing to hide. Surveillance only means that criminals are caught more easily: my life won't change.

If freedom means freedom to break the law, then I'm content with no freedom.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:48 PM   #3524
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Safety means freedom. Being free to drive with no fear of being killed by some reckless driver means freedom. Same for going for a walk knowing that you're not likely to be robbed.

I don't favour excessive surveillance, especially when it comes to enforcing minor driving offences, but being safe means being free. And this dashcam issue is just crazy. I mean, I make road videos -and now I am offending people? Come on, it's nonsense. Do I affect someone's privacy when I post a picture of mine on Facebook and he or she is in the background?
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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:53 PM   #3525
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Didn't we go a bit off topic?
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Old August 7th, 2014, 04:06 PM   #3526
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Old August 7th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #3527
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In Italy videos recorded by CCTVs are deleted after few days and if no crime\accident happens nobody look at them. They don't affect the privacy of individuals, they only may help to solve judiciary cases.
I think also individuals should be allowed to place CCTVs outside their property, to defend it from burglary and vandalism, but this is still a legal gray area, when the camera records a public place from a private property.
A different thing is posting on the net pictures of license plates spotted in x place the y day, since everybody may know where the owner was in that day. An app to track license plates like banknotes would of course be plain illegal. For this reason the thread "Strangest and most distance license plates you've spotted" was removed from SSC (and I must admit, I miss it).
Street View images should be fine because they show what everyone can see by walking or driving in the street, faces and plates are blurred, images are taken once in a while in a random day without monitoring costantly the area and people can already photograph public streets and post pics on the net.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #3528
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Didn't we go a bit off topic?
I tried to keep it on topic by focusing on using dash cams on Austrian roads. I even added a video of the A10. But not to worry, it'll all be erased by sundown anyway.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #3529
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And if we think that we also pay a lot because these people are against surveillance cameras...If there will be cameras on public spaces not so many cars would be stolen, so the insurance will be much cheaper, equally with house insurance. And for normal people that have nothing to hide it doesn't affect anything. What can I loose if NSA sees me everyday and I behave absolutely normal? How can someone use this against me?
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Old August 7th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #3530
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Old August 8th, 2014, 02:20 PM   #3531
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Thread reopened. The dashcam issue is not totally off topic in this thread, but keep it close to the subject.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 11:20 AM   #3532
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i am looking some facts about Gleinalm tunnel and i see that it's been built in the period 1873-1978. dafuq? 1873? can somebody give some explanation of it? was there only one part built in 19th century, and later tunnel was upgraded or what?
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i am looking some facts about Gleinalm tunnel and i see that it's been built in the period 1873-1978. dafuq? 1873? can somebody give some explanation of it? was there only one part built in 19th century, and later tunnel was upgraded or what?
Sometimes the solution that makes the most sense is also the right one. It's a simple typo, it was built between 1973 and 1978...

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ok that makes sense.
frankly, i found that info at wikipedia and tried to check it at structurae.com, but there was only year of opening.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 01:39 AM   #3535
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Does anyone know anything interesting I can do between Spielfeld and Vienna?

I've been to Vienna and Graz, I've driven both motorway routes to Vienna, but is there anything worth stopping at on the way?

(if anyone mentions snakes...)
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The scenery looks nice,so you can stop at rest area and enjoy in it.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 01:58 AM   #3537
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The scenery looks nice,so you can stop at rest area and enjoy in it.
Done that many times, so

If anyone knows of any amazingly picturesque towns/villages on the S6/S35/A2, please, share
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You could drive the old Semmering Pass.
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Niki Lauda has a house near A9 between Spielfeld and Graz
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Old August 13th, 2014, 12:51 PM   #3540
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Does anyone know anything interesting I can do between Spielfeld and Vienna?

I've been to Vienna and Graz, I've driven both motorway routes to Vienna, but is there anything worth stopping at on the way?

(if anyone mentions snakes...)
Visit Zotter Chockolade Factory it is some 30km from motorway and they have chockolate tour through factory and you can eat as much chockolate as you want.
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Bergl 56
8333 Riergersburg

Close to motorway you can:


Visit Rogner Bad Blumau, famous spa design by Hundertwasser.
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Bad Blumau 100
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Walk around Hartberg, beutiful small town and drink their famous vine in town square Restaurant "Zum Brauhaus"

Visit beautiful town of Baden and beuatufiul Castle and park Laxenburg.
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