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Old August 20th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #3561
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And A4 has quite a bad surface quality. If you drive H -> A, after the border you may have the feeling Welcome to Africa. Which is awful because actually in Austria almost everything but motorways are better than in Hungary :-)
A4 has its age, but I am surprised about the "strange" quality of A6 from approx +- 8 km towards border? The surface is too noisy and is like being frictional. I always have to turn my radio up after having entered that section.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #3562
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Maybe is because of a rocks in asphalt.I have seen something similar in Bulgaria.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #3563
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not even similar to that asphalt e.g. macadam in Bulgaria
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Old August 20th, 2014, 11:55 PM   #3564
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Maybe is because of a rocks in asphalt.I have seen something similar in Bulgaria.
no no, it is like the surface is wavy. Nothing to do with rocks I guess.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 12:02 AM   #3565
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My recollection is that the A6 is concrete with rain grooves.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 10:04 AM   #3566
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mmmm. Up to 3 years for a 'generalsanierung' is quite long. Perhaps the foundation is the motorway is in concrete. Some motorways have a concrete foundation and asphalt top layer. Replacing concrete costs much more time and money than asphalt.

In the Netherlands they replaced a concrete motorway with asphalt (10 km) in under 1 year.
It's a 22 km stretch, and a construction site on a motorway with 80 kph limit is not allowed to be longer than about 10 km at a time. My estimate is that they won't start in January and it won't take until December to finish it, so we are at 2 to 2.5 years for the project which is consistent with your Dutch time scale.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 05:09 PM   #3567
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I suppose by 2040, it will be a minimum of 2x3 all the way between Vienna and Budapest.
Hold your horses, we have no idea what will be in 2040.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #3568
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2015 vignette

The 2015 vignette prices;

* 10 days: € 8.70
* 2 months: € 25.30
* 1 year: € 84.40
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Old September 16th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #3569
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That's around 2,55 times more expensive than the Swiss vignette for a year, which price has not changed since 1995. Still, you may have to pay additional tolls on your way (per ex., Arlberg Tunnel to Innsbruck)
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Old September 16th, 2014, 01:09 AM   #3570
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Yes, but at least you have a choice to choose between 10-day, two-month or one year vignette in Austria, which is not the case in Switzerland. And still cheaper than in France overall if you are a regular traveller opting for the year-vignette.
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Yes, but at least you have a choice to choose between 10-day, two-month or one year vignette in Austria, which is not the case in Switzerland. And still cheaper than in France overall if you are a regular traveller opting for the year-vignette.
Almost everywhere it's cheaper, at least concerning motorways, than in France or Italy!
Saying that, if I'm driving from Feldkirch to Innsbruck (c. 155 km) and return, I will have to buy the vignette + pay the toll twice: € 8.70 + 2 X € 9 = € 26.70. That's almost the price for the 14 months valid Swiss vignette (€ 33), minus a beer !

Not to mention that almost all the transit expressways in Austria are tolled somehow in addition to the vignette. Seems like everyone but us, in our neighborhood, has found a solution to enjoy additional incomes generated from massive transit traffic; per ex., with tolls (mostly more expensive in transit routes), "combination of tolls and vignette" as in Austria, or "foreigners road taxes" in Germany !

Here is a map of tolled sections (in blue), the ones in orange require a vignette:


And the toll rates:
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Special toll rates valid from 1. January 2014

for all vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes maximum permissible weight (MPW).
Single trip:
A 9 Pyhrn Gleinalm: € 8,00
A 9 Pyhrn Bosruck: € 5,00
A 10 Tauern Katschberg: € 11,00
A 13 Brenner: € 8,50
S 16 Arlberg: € 9,00
A 11 Kara-wanken: € 7,00
You'll find more toll routes, here:
http://www.asfinag.at/en/maut#ap-inside-view-full
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Old September 16th, 2014, 02:34 AM   #3572
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Funny really. From Feldkirch to Innsbruck you pay extra tolls and traffic is often slow through the tunnels. Feldkirch to Salzburg via Munich would probably work out cheaper, even though it's further...
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Old September 16th, 2014, 02:38 AM   #3573
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expensive for transit, cheap for regulars
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Old September 16th, 2014, 02:53 AM   #3574
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what about the vignettes for short distnace like transit in Brengez?
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Old September 16th, 2014, 02:58 AM   #3575
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They have stopped the corridor-vignette for the A14 a few years ago. And last year they also stopped the vignette-exempt between border and Kufstein-Süd...
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Old September 16th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #3576
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That's around 2,55 times more expensive than the Swiss vignette for a year, which price has not changed since 1995. Still, you may have to pay additional tolls on your way (per ex., Arlberg Tunnel to Innsbruck)
that's cheap comparing to most of European countries
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Saying that, if I'm driving from Feldkirch to Innsbruck (c. 155 km) and return, I will have to buy the vignette + pay the toll twice: € 8.70 + 2 X € 9 = € 26.70.
Now those 2 x 9 Euro are easily avoidable: leave the expressway at Langen, drive over the pass and rejoin S16 in St. Jakob if you don't want to pay.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 01:23 PM   #3578
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That's not the point! The fact is that there is a vignette and a toll on the very same road! Which by the way, S16 is not even a properly called motorway, but mostly a 1+1 slow "expressway".
Anyway, you can always avoid tolls if you wish too (unless the pass is closed or ferry), everywhere in Europe, not only in Austria!
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That toll is only because of the tunnel. Nothing else...
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Old September 16th, 2014, 01:28 PM   #3580
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that's cheap comparing to most of European countries
Most European countries do not charge for using their motorways/expressways (for cars), or simply requires a vignette only.
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