daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old March 25th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #341
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,465
Likes (Received): 3437

yes, from personal experience (i work in transport company) people in last few years much more prefer to travel via Pyhrnautobahn rather then Tauernautobahn. 10-15 years ago was opposite situation
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 25th, 2008, 07:03 PM   #342
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Why's that?
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #343
Bahnsteig4
.
 
Bahnsteig4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vienna.
Posts: 5,707
Likes (Received): 93

It's really kinda strange, as the Slovenian part (MBX-ZAG) can be a pain in the ass.
__________________
VIENNA - Should Europe fear this city?

Austrian Forum - Support our Skybar!


Yes, for ****'s sake, all pictures I post were TAKEN BY ME
Bahnsteig4 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #344
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,465
Likes (Received): 3437

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verso View Post
Why's that?
well, while traveling from Croatia to Germany, Pyhrnautobahn is the shortest route. and A3 in Germany is one of the most important motorways, so the point is as soon as possible get onto it. if you are not going to München, then it is better to avoid A99 (München bypass) because of possible jams, and the result is again - Pyhrnautobahn. so, Tauernautobahn is popular only while traveling to München or west Bayern. to get to Salzburg many people also use A9 to Liezen and then 145 to Salzburg. in that way you avoid one austrian toll, and in Slovenia you have just symbolic toll (but in Croatia it is little higher). personaly, i wouldn't do it frequently and i think that Tauern is the best way to reach Salzburg.
also, when A9 was finnished (no matter for Klaus section), it became popular.
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2008, 08:44 PM   #345
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,878
Likes (Received): 1364

And in few years, when Slovenian part will be finished, A9 will certainly be even more popular.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #346
Bahnsteig4
.
 
Bahnsteig4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vienna.
Posts: 5,707
Likes (Received): 93

That's for sure. But somehow it's obvious why the Slovenians take their time to make access ot Rijeka easier.
__________________
VIENNA - Should Europe fear this city?

Austrian Forum - Support our Skybar!


Yes, for ****'s sake, all pictures I post were TAKEN BY ME
Bahnsteig4 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2008, 05:40 AM   #347
Tauernautobahn
Registered User
 
Tauernautobahn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Salzburg
Posts: 96
Likes (Received): 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
No, jams were mostly because of former border crossing. There were no jams in this year yet (border crossing doesn't exist anymore, but toll station does).
Ok, so I can hope to pass it without jams this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
There was only 17% increase in traffic from 2001-2006, figure from 2006 shows traffic quantity only 6300 AADT. By that growth traffic would reach between 9.000 and 10.000 AADT by year 2019. Pretty low number. It is quite interesting, that more traffic goes off the motorway at last exit than it continues towards Austria.
You're right but IMO that's also because of the single-tubes of Tauern- and Katschbergtunnel that makes many people avoid the 'typical' Munich-Salzburg-Ljubljana-route and go via the A9.at
I think when the second tubes are opened there will be more traffic again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
On the other hand, Šentilj/Spielfeld border crossing experiences almost 22% traffic growth between 2001-2006 and could reach about 18.000 AADT in 2019. It is also a cheaper way to travel between Germany and Croatia in terms of tolls.
That's right but I don't think that's the main point b/c Karawanken-route is much shorter in many cases.
Tauernautobahn no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #348
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauernautobahn View Post
Ok, so I can hope to pass it without jams this year
Do you have relatives in the Balkans, or just going to the seaside? :stickingmynosewhereIshouldn't:<-
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2008, 02:40 PM   #349
Tauernautobahn
Registered User
 
Tauernautobahn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Salzburg
Posts: 96
Likes (Received): 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verso View Post
Do you have relatives in the Balkans, or just going to the seaside? :stickingmynosewhereIshouldn't:<-
Just going to the seaside
Tauernautobahn no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2008, 03:10 PM   #350
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Ah, ok...
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #351
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,465
Likes (Received): 3437

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauernautobahn View Post


You're right but IMO that's also because of the single-tubes of Tauern- and Katschbergtunnel that makes many people avoid the 'typical' Munich-Salzburg-Ljubljana-route and go via the A9.at
I think wh
but at A9 in the summere there are also jams, especially at Klaus section. i'm not sure for Bosrusk and Gleinalmtunnel, but i guess there could also be jams. but Tauern jams are larger
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 27th, 2008, 03:56 PM   #352
H123Laci
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Budapest, HUN
Posts: 1,647
Likes (Received): 3

Bahnsteig4:

It's nice to see that Austria is building a long needed beltway around Wien.
S1 (between A2 and A4) is a great help for transit traffic.

(BTW: why is it S1, why not A21? Afterall it is the extension of A21...)

But I think it is too close to the city.

This alignment is perfect for the suburban/agglomeration traffic, but not for the transit traffic.

A 2nd bypass would be better for transit traffic:


What is your opinion?

Last edited by H123Laci; March 27th, 2008 at 07:30 PM. Reason: false link
H123Laci no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 27th, 2008, 04:22 PM   #353
H123Laci
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Budapest, HUN
Posts: 1,647
Likes (Received): 3

Quote:
What's more strange is people going from Salzburg to Zagreb over Graz/Maribor instead of Villach/Ljubljana.
Maybe they want to save money... :-)
H123Laci no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 27th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #354
H123Laci
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Budapest, HUN
Posts: 1,647
Likes (Received): 3

Bahnsteig4:
Quote:
Now what's that??? Just a few kms to the south and the following changes have happened:
St.Pölten has disappeared (WTF?)
Linz and Vienna have appeared (finally)
"A1" has disappeared. Now, I realize that both Linz and Vienna can be reached via A1, but does everybody know that? And do foreigners know that they are still on the right street for St.Pölten? (If anyone wants to go there...)
I used to have orientation problems.
But I have bought a PNA.
Since then I have no orientation problem. ;-)

Last edited by H123Laci; March 27th, 2008 at 07:17 PM.
H123Laci no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 28th, 2008, 12:45 AM   #355
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by H123Laci View Post
Maybe they want to save money... :-)
Probably, the difference isn't so small after all: 12.85 EUR - 34 HRK = 8.17 EUR.
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 28th, 2008, 01:20 AM   #356
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,878
Likes (Received): 1364

... it's about 100-140 km distance of gasoline (depends on where you get it and what sort of gas guzzler you have.
x2 means in average 250 km of driven distances on round trip. Not so small after all.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 28th, 2008, 01:48 AM   #357
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

I don't know what you mean, but the difference is just (2×) 15 km. Of course there's more motorways by the Villach/Ljubljana route...
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 28th, 2008, 09:59 AM   #358
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,878
Likes (Received): 1364

Turn that money difference from tolls to cost of gasoline and then in driven kilometers.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 28th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #359
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

^ So you're saying you're also in favor of the Graz/Maribor route?
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 28th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #360
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,878
Likes (Received): 1364

It is too far for me. But it is pretty viable option for anyone from/to Zagreb and beyond in southeast direction. Even from München it is only 50 km longer than over A10 and 9 € cheaper (18€ for roundtrip), if you take whole A9. If you take B320 passing Schladming it is only 20 km longer, but I don't know the condition of that B-road (all directions include bypassing Salzburg)

Tunnel tolls on A10 and A11 are pretty expensive and therefore not very attractive on cost side.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
austria

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium