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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #3661
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Speed limit lowered on Tyrol motorways

A permanent speed limit of 100 km/h will be introduced for cars travelling on large sections of Austria’s Inn Valley motorway (A12) and Brenner motorway (A13) on November 20th - in an effort to improve air quality.

http://www.thelocal.at/20141118/spee...on-a12-and-a13
Really? My car uses just 0.5l/100km more when driving at 130km/h. Do they think that it is going to save the glaciers?
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:18 PM   #3662
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What car is that? 200 km per liter. About 10 times more fuel efficient than my car.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:19 PM   #3663
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It's not really the glaciers, but the Inn-valley between Kufstein and Zirl is fairly densely populated. The population needs to stay in good health, that is their argument.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #3664
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What car is that? 200 km per liter. About 10 times more fuel efficient than my car.
I think you misread that. He wrote: "My car uses just 0.5l/100km more when driving at 130km/h." I'm sure meant marginal fuel consumption for increasing the speed to 130km/h.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #3665
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Exactly
But now I see that Greens are in the coalition..
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #3666
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Austria is already extremely fooling the drivers with IG-L and rigid Lärmschutzzonen. this will be disaster. and they are one of the most rigid countries in the EU when it's about the breaking the speed limit.

(are the trucks really doing 60 km/h during the night on A10?)
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Old November 19th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #3667
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Austrians generally don't break the speed limits. They are afraid. Very afraid.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 09:57 AM   #3668
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Austrians generally don't break the speed limits. They are afraid. Very afraid.
Can't say never. I see quite a few of them every time I travel to/from Romania. Doing 150+, I know, because I usually drive 140-145 on the clock, and they pass me.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 12:04 PM   #3669
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lots of Austrians drive at least 110kmh in the igl zones (you can feel they are not ok with that limit ), and on 130kmh limit they often do 135kmh. Besides I really enjoy when I drive there. it's very disciplined.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 12:08 PM   #3670
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Lane discipline is not all that good, despite efforts of ASFINAG and the ÖAMTC to keep them to the right unless overtaking.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #3671
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Really? My car uses just 0.5l/100km more when driving at 130km/h. Do they think that it is going to save the glaciers?
Nope, but that 0.5 l/100 km adds up on the big scale and I am also highly convinced it's more than just 0.5 l less fuel in the top gear at 100 km/h.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 05:48 PM   #3672
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Tempo 100 auf Tiroler Autobahnen

ÖAMTC kritisiert - kaum Effekt auf die Umwelt!


So basically, what the ÖAMTC (Austrian Automobile Association) is saying is that reducing the limit to 100 has no effect whatsoever.

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However, the main suspects in this rigorous measure are the wrong people, namely motorists who only contribute in part to environmental pollution. "For trucks, which are responsible for about two-thirds of the harmful NOx emissions, however, changes nothing," according to the ÖAMTC. " The speed limit for HGV is already 80 and also small trucks may not drive faster than 100 kilometers per hour."
http://www.oeamtc.at/portal/tempo-10...n+2500+1618319 (in German)
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Old November 19th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #3673
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Wouldn't it be better just to ban all trucks with less than a Euro 5 engine?
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Old November 19th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #3674
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I think these standards apply to most HGV's already anyway.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #3675
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trucks mostly drive 90 anyway
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Old November 19th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #3676
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trucks mostly drive 90 anyway
On the A12 not for long. There is a overtaking ban for trucks from Kufstein border to Zirl (overtaking is possible in places on the A13 towards Brenner)

So you need one slow truck in front, and everything will stack up behind it, as it normally does. Seeing that the A12 is a very busy trunk road for trucks traveling between Germany and Italy, the convoys are endlessly...
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Old November 19th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #3677
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Wouldn't it be better just to ban all trucks with less than a Euro 5 engine?
They will be phased out automatically over time. Their share is already quite low.

According to Toll-Collect, as of 31 December 2013, 84.2% of trucks were Euro 5 or better in Germany. I suppose the rate may be even a bit higher in Austria due to the higher toll rates.
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Old November 20th, 2014, 12:43 PM   #3678
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Ärger und Kontrollen zum Start von Tempo 100
Irritation and speed checks at start of permanent 100 KPH limit.



Innsbruck - The permanent 100 KPH limit has arrived last night. Shortly before midnight, Asfinag removed the last orange-black tape from the traffic signs and paved the way for the permanent 100 KPH limit from Kufstein to Zirl and Schoenberg and Karrösten to Zams. And speed checks are being carried out immediatly.

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A few years ago, there was some buzz about € 2000 fines for exceeding the speed limit in IG-L zones. It was argued that these fines were not for speeding, but for environmental offenses. Do they actually issue such high fines in IG-L zones, or is it only from a certain speed (like >30 km/h over the limit)?
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Strafen: Die Strafen für zu schnelles Fahren beim IG-Luft-Hunderter sind höher als für „normales“ Schnellfahren. Wer zehn km/h zu schnell fährt, muss 35 Euro anstatt 20 Euro berappen. Bis zu 20 km/h beträgt die Strafe 50 Euro (35 €) und bis zu 30 km/h 80 Euro (50 €). Bei höheren Überschreitungen kommt es jeweils zu Strafverfahren mit höheren Bußgeldern nach IG-L bzw. der Straßenverkehrsordnung (StVO). 40 km/h über dem Tempolimit kostet 200 bzw. 180 Euro. Allerdings gibt es nicht die oft kolportierte „doppelte Bestrafung“ nach IG-L und StVO.
This and more (in German) at http://www.tt.com/politik/landespoli...-tempo-100.csp
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Old November 20th, 2014, 03:07 PM   #3679
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Von Kiefersfelden geht es kurz nach 13 Uhr zurück. Noch immer bei 130 km/h. Davor noch eine Überraschung – und der einzige Autofahrer, der Verständnis zeigte. Peter Metzner aus Bayreuth in Bayern, er fährt einen PS-starken BMW, ist dafür, „dass man das europaweit macht“. Ob man ein paar Minuten früher oder später ankomme, sei egal, beim Verkehrsaufkommen sei ohnehin kein schnelleres Vorankommen möglich.
Do a 1000 km drive and drive max 100 km/h instead of 130 km/h.
A simple math calculation says 10 hours instead of theoretical 7,7 hours. Not just a few minutes like he says...

The main problem though is what other have said, this slow speed will make cars overtake trucks much harder, everyone will be more stressed.

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Dass die Autofahrer bei Tempo 100 die Lkw nicht mehr richtig überholen könnten, würde zu gefährlichen Situationen führen. Und: „Bei Tempo 100 werden die Autofahrer spürbar aggressiver.“ Eines wird klar: Hier an der Autobahn ist naturgemäß niemand zu finden, der dafür ist.
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Old November 20th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #3680
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That is ridiculous. The usual nonsense about lowering the speed limit being good for everyone except for the stereotypical, evil BMW driver. How surprising that the papers repeat what the Government has told them. This brings back memories to me -I'm so glad we got rid of pollution-related speed limits in my city, and I just hope for Austria to vote against this sometime.
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